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Old March 24 2013, 11:14 PM   #16
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^^Unless he kept naming each one Porthos. This could have been Porthos VI.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:14 PM   #17
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I would still like to know what the beagle's name was. Assuming the canine life expectancy in the 22nd-23rd century is ~20 years, we have to think Jon was on his fifth or sixth, which would mean he ran out of Musketeers.
Maybe he started adding numbers. Porthos VI
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Old March 24 2013, 11:21 PM   #18
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I think Archer died shortly after the 1701 was launched. I don't remember where it is from, I think someone found a screenshot from the mirror universe episode where they are looking at his bio. He was also President of the Federation. So he's probably dead by the time of the new movies. It may be slightly different than the Prime universe, but I doubt any differences in the timeline would have affected him much.

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^^Unless he kept naming each one Porthos. This could have been Porthos VI.
Just like Uga.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:28 PM   #19
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Too bad Karyn Archer was half-Ikaaran, otherwise she could have been born anyway...

Nah, actually, screw that, too obscure, won't make a difference. Having an officer named, say, Samantha Archer would be a cool enough. It will establish continuity, please Enterprise fans, without standing in the way. Myself, I'd rather have a quasi-Vulcan named Tucker. It will retroactively extinguish the disaster that was TATW.

And, while I hope Spock Prime isn't into gossip, some random references to the future Starfleet can also fit in. Makes me wonder, could he also be from the timeline where Voyager's Endgame did not happen? He'll never know Voyager was ever in the delta quadrant.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:31 PM   #20
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I would still like to know what the beagle's name was. Assuming the canine life expectancy in the 22nd-23rd century is ~20 years, we have to think Jon was on his fifth or sixth, which would mean he ran out of Musketeers.
Maybe he started adding numbers. Porthos VI
With colons. Porthos VI: The Son of Rover.

Then, he rebooted the genetic line and called the first new puppy born in that line just, "Porthos." But, a lot of people said the dog looked nothing like the original to them.
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Old March 25 2013, 12:07 AM   #21
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I think letters, Porthos-D, Porthos-E...
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Old March 25 2013, 12:13 AM   #22
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Myself, I'd rather have a quasi-Vulcan named Tucker.
I like T'Rip better.
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Old March 25 2013, 12:13 AM   #23
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I think letters, Porthos-D, Porthos-E...


I think poor Porthos paid a few visits to re-pet...
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Old March 25 2013, 12:17 AM   #24
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So which one liked to play baliz?
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Old March 25 2013, 07:55 AM   #25
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I would still like to know what the beagle's name was.
"Gorn".

Gorn out there, thataway.

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I think Archer died shortly after the 1701 was launched. I don't remember where it is from, I think someone found a screenshot from the mirror universe episode where they are looking at his bio. He was also President of the Federation.

ENT Archer biography by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

Archer "...died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation starship Enterprise, NCC-1701".

Although Mike Sussman, who wrote the text that would appear on the computer screen, never expected it to be legible (and part of it wasn't) or necessarily canonical.
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Old March 25 2013, 10:41 AM   #26
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When I brought up the Admiral Archer thing in the ENT forum a few years ago, Mike Sussman posted this rather amusing reply:
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As the author of the Archer bio, I can confirm that -- at least in the prime timeline -- Archer clung to life just long enough to personally witness the launch of the NCC-1701 in 2245, and died peacefully the next day. In the alternate timeline, he held on an extra thirteen years in order to see the maiden flight of the Enterprise-JJ in 2258 -- after which he promptly dropped dead.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:03 PM   #27
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^^It's as good as canon to me.

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Although Mike Sussman, who wrote the text that would appear on the computer screen, never expected it to be legible (and part of it wasn't) or necessarily canonical.
But didn't he say that because Archer's bio included info about Shran that was contradicted by TATV? Not that Trek fandom ever had a problem disregarding TATV...
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Old March 25 2013, 02:20 PM   #28
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But didn't he say that because Archer's bio included info about Shran that was contradicted by TATV? Not that Trek fandom ever had a problem disregarding TATV...
Canon works the opposite way around in TATV. Anything that violates canon established by TATV should be praised as much a regular canon violation would be condemned. For example, if the changes in nuKirk's uniform make you go to the shooting range to release your anger and disappointment, a TATV-era photo of Archer with the wrong insignia should make you send flowers to everyone you know.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:32 PM   #29
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Admiral Archer's Prized Beagle is probably the label on a cabinet, displaying the poor animal after it's been taxidermied. 100 years is a long time. A exhibited artifect showing the first dog to travel aboard Earth's first warp 5 starship. Some Academy museum curator unaware it's name was Porthos. Riker and Troi didn't seem to know the dog's name either, only that Archer had one.

That probably gets around Scotty's need for something to test, that's biomatter... and what more could happen to the dog? It's already long dead. It just makes his actions seem like a frat boy prank.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:53 PM   #30
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Any chance that Scott Bakula appears as "Admiral Archer" in STID? They went to the trouble of not only mentioning him in the first movie, but Kirk had some throwaway line about knowing his beagle. Also, it looks like the villain's plans in the sequel have his sights set on earth itself, which would definitely draw the attention of the fleet admiral. I haven't heard any official word on it, but it seems as though Kurtzman and Orci went out of their way to set him up and Kirk's familiarity with at least his dog in the first movie, so I could see this happening without us knowing until we see the flick. JJ is into that whole secrecy thing.
You maybe think Benedict's character is somehow connected to Archer?





Only slightly crazier than a Brit playing a genetically engineered Latino-Super Sikh, I suppose!

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