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Old March 24 2013, 04:58 AM   #61
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kira's one of the most important, interesting, central characters of ds9. i think its a fine example. and if not you should go complain about the person who said lily on How i met your mother too ...
Someone else complained about the Lily example. I didn't see the point in piling on.

Leonard McCoy's one of the most important, interesting, central characters of TOS. But I'd never assume he was "the" main character of that show.
but kirk was the main character in tos. ds9 didn't really have that. it was all ensemblified. kira was equally important to the show as sisko. and thats why i thought it should count in her case.
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Old March 24 2013, 05:39 AM   #62
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And HIMYM is emsemblified as well. I rest m'case, m'lud.
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Old March 24 2013, 06:08 AM   #63
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I completely agree about Frasier. I find Grammer's over-the-top acting extremely annoying. All the other actors manage to make up for it though.

More recently, I rather liked Revolution, but the main character drove me away after a half dozen episodes or so. I spent too much time wanting to smack her.
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Old March 24 2013, 06:23 AM   #64
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I've also got to jump on the BtVS train; despite counting the series among my favorite television shows EVER, I've always been more of a fan of Willow, Dawn, Spike, Faith, and Giles than of Buffy herself. She's never annoyed me the way she apparently did others, but she's not - and never has been - one of my favorite characters from the series.
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Old March 24 2013, 08:03 AM   #65
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Oh yeah, Jack from Lost. Couldn't stand him. But my favorite character was Sawyer, so I guess that's no surprise.
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Old March 24 2013, 10:01 AM   #66
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Another one for Archer. Never 'hated' the character; just didn't warm to him, or indeed ENT S1, first time watched and not liking the captain seemed a bit of a disadvantage. Of course feel very different now
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Old March 24 2013, 10:36 AM   #67
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Oh yeah, Jack from Lost. Couldn't stand him. But my favorite character was Sawyer, so I guess that's no surprise.
I almost quit every time it was a Jack heavy episode, what a terrible pukey character. I also couldn't stand Kate. Locke was my hands down favorite. sawyer I particularly liked in the first couple seasons, hilarious.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:00 AM   #68
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That one Jack-centric episode in Season Three where he gets his tattoo is arguably the worst episode in the series. I almost bailed because of it, despite my love for most other aspects of the show.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:08 AM   #69
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david tennant's doctor.
Amen. I had to stop watching new Who toward the end of his tenure because he was so insufferable.

I'm probably the only person on the planet who likes TOS in spite of Kirk. Yeah, weird and blasphemous and whatever, but true nonetheless.

Oh, and I despised Sawyer. But since he wasn't a main character, he doesn't count.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:15 AM   #70
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That one Jack-centric episode in Season Three where he gets his tattoo is arguably the worst episode in the series. I almost bailed because of it, despite my love for most other aspects of the show.
It was awful. And absolutely pointless.

My favorite Lost scene is from season 1 when they are still on the beach. They are doing something important as far as supplies go and approach Sawyer to help. He's sitting under a shelter reading a battered paperback of "Are you there God? It's me, Margaret". I still end up laughing out loud whenever I think of this None of the people I was watching it with had any idea what the book was so it was lost on them.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:42 AM   #71
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Absolutely agree on David Tennant as Doctor Who. His "mockney wanker" character makes me want to reach into the screen and slap him. He's a good actor and I've liked him in almost everything else I've seen him in.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:57 AM   #72
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I liked Enterprise but didn't care a lot for Archer.

I wouldn't outright say I didn't like Jerry Seinfeld but he was definitely my least favourite of the quartet in that show (and I preferred recurring characters like Newman to him too).

Kind of a cheat here but I don't like the Sixth or Seventh Doctors in Doctor Who!
Count me in for Archer too. It's a shame because I was a big QL fan and I always liked Bakula, and when I heard he was going to be Archer I was really thrilled...then I saw the show and realised that he was horribly miscast, he's just not Captain material. They should have cast Trineer as Archer IMO.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing. I have always liked Bakula but thought Archer on ENT was kind of, well, an arrogant dick. Trinneer as Trip completely stole the show. He was the most likable and most interesting by far, even with the inconsistent writing. It was probably the way in which the Archer character was written; he was talked up too often, practically mythologized and then Bakula plays him as Joe Suburban. It made me feel a bit resentful of him. "Wait a minute! He's not so great. Stop talking about him. Put Trip on!"

It's a shame, really. I really liked Bakula on "Men of a Certain Age," where he was playing an immature, vain, selfish actor. You weren't supposed to like him, at least not a first, and he did a great job, making you eventually feel a bit sorry for this idiot.
Yeah he just made Archer so...bland is the best word I can use to describe it. The kind of man Archer was supposed to be should have been a man who reached out and grabbed history by the throat, the kind of man people would follow into hell, the kind of man who could make differing alien races want to work together, and I got none of that from him. I'm not suggesting he needed to be a scene stealer like Kirk, or as imposing as Sisko, or as downright stubborn as Janeway, Stewart owned the bridge every time he was on it despite being dwarfed by Riker and Worf, he was quiet but exuded an aura of command.

Now it may be that Archer is a more realistic portrayal of a pivotal historical character, and the fact that he was clearly out of his depth was kinda the point, I know that, I just think in the hands of another actor the character would have worked better, not even a better actor, just an actor with more presence.

I'm glad people have mentioned Jack on Lost as well, I never liked that guy very much (much preferred Sawyer) though having said that one of the two moments that made me tear up in the finale was Jack and his Dad (the other being Sawyer and Juliette) but then given my own dad had died just a few months before I kinda put it down to that!

Tennant I still like as the Doctor. I think he was overrated, and the ease with which Matt Smith wears the role clearly shows that he was trying too hard most of the time, but he's still a good Doctor to me.
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Old March 24 2013, 01:57 PM   #73
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The Sawyer love is remarkable. When Sawyer performed surgery on himself using only his fingers, I lost my ability to suspend disbelief and pretend that those were real people I was magically eavesdropping on. Might I suggest that when the script is loaded to portray a character as bad ass but beloved (at least by the pretty people,) it's because it's the main character? This is particularly true when the characters have to be more or less abnormal to tolerate the person the script favors.
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Old March 24 2013, 06:34 PM   #74
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I find Grimm to be a watchable, mildly entertaining show, but the titular character is really a nonentity for me. And really the only character I like is the goofy werewolf.
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Old March 24 2013, 06:58 PM   #75
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I felt that way at the start of Grimm, but I think all the characters on that show have drastically improved as it's gone along. And adding Rosalee was a fantastic move.
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