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Old March 24 2013, 09:29 AM   #196
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Re: What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?

Wow. Grats. That's like four times what I got.
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Old March 24 2013, 09:29 AM   #197
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Also, 60,000 posts! Have I really spa-posted that much over the years?!
At least you can answer what you've been doing with your life.
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Old March 24 2013, 09:30 AM   #198
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Wow. Grats. That's like four times what I got.
I'm an amateur compared to some, but thank you!

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Also, 60,000 posts! Have I really spa-posted that much over the years?!
At least you can answer what you've been doing with your life.
Living the dream?
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Old March 24 2013, 09:33 AM   #199
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Wow. Grats. That's like four times what I got.
I'm an amateur compared to some, but thank you!

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Also, 60,000 posts! Have I really spa-posted that much over the years?!
At least you can answer what you've been doing with your life.
Living the dream?
Does that dream include Sophia Loren?
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Old March 24 2013, 09:34 AM   #200
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Old March 24 2013, 09:44 AM   #201
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Old March 24 2013, 02:55 PM   #202
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Old March 25 2013, 08:27 AM   #203
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Re: What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?

"What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?"

Neither. I would argue that the over-saturation of televison and movies killed "nineties Trek".
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Old March 27 2013, 04:45 PM   #204
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Also, 60,000 posts! Have I really spa-posted that much over the years?!
It always amazes me when I see those numbers of posts...incredible. I've been here 14 years and managed to just hit 13,000. Even that number gave me a headache.
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Old March 27 2013, 06:46 PM   #205
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Nemesis was the first Trek movie I had ever seen in theaters (I have been a Trek fan since the early 80s but one reason or another kept me from ever seeing them in theaters).

In theaters, it was enjoyable, all of the questions I had were pushed to the background so I could just enjoy the moment. I don't know if that would have worked had I seen Insurrection in theaters prior to that outing.

When my friends and I went and saw Nemesis opening night, there were, maybe, 5 other people in the theater with us. The movie complex itself was packed, but our theater was all quiet and nearly empty. Based on that (entirely anecdotal I know), I'd say Insurrection mortally wounded it, and Nemesis made the killing blow.

Now, that doesn't mean I hate those movies, but they did seem to contribute somewhat to the end of the TNG franchise's popularity in movies.
Nemesis was my first movie too. I had no idea what the heck was going on.
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Old March 30 2013, 10:45 PM   #206
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ST09 did well because we got to see Young Uhura without her clothes on. The Final Frontier didn't do well... because we got to see Old Uhura without her clothes on.


But the 2009 film did well because for the first time in a long time, it made Star Trek fun.
I completely agree. I liked TNG as a TV series, but really disliked the movies, because the tone and pace of TNG just didn't work for a movie format, in my opinion. And to me, it felt like everyone was trying to reinvent their characters in the TNG movies - Picard is suddenly doing action scene after action scene in contrived situations, suddenly being portrayed as a rule-breaker when we had seen him be quite conservative in the TV show, go-karting on a planet in a dune buggy ... Worf is threatening to kill Picard for calling him a coward ... it all pulled me out of the story... I felt like I was watching one of those TV reunion shows, where the actors or writers seem to be creating charicatures of their former character roles, rather than something new... The exciting frontier exploration, adventure, and action feel of the original series was what a movie needed, and when TNG tried to replicate that in their movies, it didn't work...
I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly, at the core, what was wrong with the TNG films. They all became caricatures of what they were in the TV series. Mostly at the expense of bad comedy, but also due to lack of vision.

I would have loved to see a TNG film of the enterprise and crew exploring some unknown world on a movie budget. Something along the lines of the game "A Final Unity" would have been awesome on the big screen.

Instead we get the tired plot of "a madman wants to kill many people we don't care about" for 3 movies.
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Old April 7 2013, 01:50 AM   #207
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What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?
Neither.. the TNG franchise literally had no where else to go. The Insurrection and Nemesis movies were great on their own...But they just didnt add anything to the franchise that couldnt be seen on one of the hour episodes. ..

Still wouldnt have missed either for the world though. Data wigging out, Commander William Babyface, Will and Deanna finally hooking up (on screen!), Picard driving a Subaru, Data making the ultimate sacrifce...and sweet sweet Anij..
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Old April 7 2013, 04:35 AM   #208
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What sunk the TNG movie franchise: Insurrection or Nemesis?
Neither.. the TNG franchise literally had no where else to go. The Insurrection and Nemesis movies were great on their own...But they just didnt add anything to the franchise that couldnt be seen on one of the hour episodes. ..

Still wouldnt have missed either for the world though. Data wigging out, Commander William Babyface, Will and Deanna finally hooking up (on screen!), Picard driving a Subaru, Data making the ultimate sacrifce...and sweet sweet Anij..

I think the ball was dropped with GEN. That was one awkward, strange film that just doesn't sit right no matter how you slice it. And this is from someone who sees a lot of good in GEN. So, you had millions of people watching TNG, which was a character driven sci-fi drama thingy, and the first feature film is half about Kirk, who has nothing to do with TNG, Data plays with his emotion chip, and the ship you've identified the show with for 7 years is sacked.
They didn't do anything with the characters, and de-branded TNG somewhat by crashing the ship. Really, nothing significant happens with the characters until NEM, by which point those millions of people had long since stopped caring. They stopped telling their stories. Should have had the wedding and Data's death in the first film. And just kept giving reasons to care or be interested in these characters while the crazy sci fi thing is happening.
I agree that neither INS or NEM are to blame, but TNG had lots of places to go.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:43 AM   #209
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I agree that neither INS or NEM are to blame, but TNG had lots of places to go.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:26 AM   #210
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I'd say it was a combination of INS and NEM having their problems along with the cast just visibly getting older. Whatever you want to say about NuTrek they are all attractive young people.
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