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Old March 23 2013, 05:11 AM   #16
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Re: Did they ever explain how Geordi...

That was the intent, actually. To give the ship scope and grandeur, the ideas was to have... four, I think. But eventually, it turned out to be a great vessel for Geordi.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:19 AM   #17
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Plus in a progressive future like Trek, everyone seems to be awesome at everything. Look at Dax, Spock and Data. They have expertise in a wide range of sciences (chemistry/physics/biology/computer/math).
heh nahh..
they just have better future google
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Old March 23 2013, 11:11 AM   #18
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It was pretty short-sighted of Gene to not have a cast member be chief engineer from the beginning. Did he seriously think it was a good idea to make it a revolving door?
IMO, he wanted TNG to be different from TOS. Data was really the immediate go-to guy for questions and reports about the engines, so the need for a permanent character to be the actual chief engineer wasn't all that great in the beginning (heck, TNG wouldn't even have had an engineering set at all if Roddenberry hadn't quickly wrote in a scene there in the pilot--the show wouldn't have had the money to build the set later in the first season).

"In-universe"--and in hindsight--it could be a case that during the first year of the Enterprise's operation, several chief engineers trained on the vessel and familiarized themselves with her then many new systems before going on to other ships.
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Old March 23 2013, 01:30 PM   #19
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In "The Next Phase" it's suggested Geordi's engineering expertise is what interested Picard in him in the first place so Geordi is likely brought onto the ship with the intention of him being Chief Engineer someday. Since Geordi was then only a Lieutenant J.G. he had to wait for a promotion to get the position and he hadn't put enough time in at the lower rank. Meanwhile the Enterprise served as a "training ship" for other engineers to be assigned to future Galaxy-Class ships or ships with the new systems the Enterprise had. (Hence the rotating series of engineers we see in the first season.) Geordi would spend a year as the chief helmsman at Lieutenant J.G. while ALSO learning about the ship's new systems behind the scenes, meanwhile the ship would train aspiring engineers going to future assignments. After a year Geordi would be open for the promotion to full Lieutenant, get it, and then be given the Chief Engineer role on a "fast-track" to Lieutenant Commander. (Which he would get by the third season.)
This is how I interpret it too.

There are probably more threads on this subject than there were first season engineers!
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Old March 23 2013, 07:01 PM   #20
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And why was it many of the chief engineers were so unlikable?

OK, Singh was fairly likable, but then they immediately killed him. Usually whenever you see a character who is totally nice, you know they're gonna GET IT.

Lynch (sorry, Leland T. Lynch) and Logan were insufferable. I guess the only way early TNG could have conflict between the crew would be to have nobodies come in and cause the conflict (see also Kosinski). MacDougal wasn't much of a character either. She spent most of the time being annoyed.

I guess Argyle came off the best, since he got to be in it twice, but then the actor cheated to try and get the role full-time.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:04 PM   #21
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I liked Argyle.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:12 PM   #22
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Eh, i dunno if it was short sighted. BSG never had a chief engineer on screen.
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Old March 23 2013, 10:38 PM   #23
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I guess Argyle came off the best, since he got to be in it twice, but then the actor cheated to try and get the role full-time.
What's this? I haven't heard about this
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Old March 24 2013, 02:39 AM   #24
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I guess Argyle came off the best, since he got to be in it twice, but then the actor cheated to try and get the role full-time.
What's this? I haven't heard about this
He tried sleeping with Gene. Didn't pan out.
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Old March 24 2013, 02:53 AM   #25
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I'm not quite sure about the switch but the reason for Geordi bein the conn officer was to have a blind man flying a ship and all the symbolism associated with that. As far as the switch I think it was mainly to let Geordi's character have more screen time.
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Old March 24 2013, 02:56 AM   #26
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I'm not quite sure about the switch but the reason for Geordi bein the conn officer was to have a blind man flying a ship and all the symbolism associated with that. As far as the switch I think it was mainly to let Geordi's character have more screen time.
Yeah, I'm sure we've all heard this before.

Anyway, I'm glad they made the change -making Wes the helmsman. It was an idea based on a rather lame joke considering, really, Geordi wasn't blind.
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Old March 24 2013, 08:32 AM   #27
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I guess Argyle came off the best, since he got to be in it twice, but then the actor cheated to try and get the role full-time.
What's this? I haven't heard about this
According to the memory of a 14-year-old Wil Wheaton:

http://www.aoltv.com/2006/10/27/star...s-gone-before/

The Chief Engineer of the Week in this episode was Argyle, played by Biff Yeager. I don't know if it's entirely true (and this is recalled over twenty years, through the memory of a 14 year-old) but I remember hearing that Biff was under consideration to become a permanent Chief Engineer, until the producers found out that he (or someone acting on his behalf) had encouraged Trekkies to write letters asking to have him on the ship full time. There's nothing wrong with a letter-writing campaign, but it helps if the letters come in after your episode has aired. Yeah, apparently the letters came in before this show went out, and some Trekkies complained that they were spammed via mail (this was well before e-mail was widely used) and those two factors sent Chief Engineer Argyle -- and Biff -- to the Cornfield.
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Old March 24 2013, 08:58 AM   #28
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I remember in "The Last Outpost" when communications between the bridge and engineering were out, Picard sent LaForge down to engineering for a report. Riker later joined him there, and LaForge seemed right at home talking about the engines, even giving orders to an engineer, IMO.
Yep. I've been watching Season 1 of TNG, and Geordi was frequently sent down to Engineering by Picard. I just assumed Geordi was shooting for Command when his love for engines caused him to rethink his career path.
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Old March 24 2013, 04:50 PM   #29
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In "The Next Phase" it's suggested Geordi's engineering expertise is what interested Picard in him in the first place so Geordi is likely brought onto the ship with the intention of him being Chief Engineer someday. Since Geordi was then only a Lieutenant J.G. he had to wait for a promotion to get the position and he hadn't put enough time in at the lower rank. Meanwhile the Enterprise served as a "training ship" for other engineers to be assigned to future Galaxy-Class ships or ships with the new systems the Enterprise had. (Hence the rotating series of engineers we see in the first season.) Geordi would spend a year as the chief helmsman at Lieutenant J.G. while ALSO learning about the ship's new systems behind the scenes, meanwhile the ship would train aspiring engineers going to future assignments. After a year Geordi would be open for the promotion to full Lieutenant, get it, and then be given the Chief Engineer role on a "fast-track" to Lieutenant Commander. (Which he would get by the third season.)
This really makes a lot of sense and ties in the rotating Chief Engineers nicely.
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Old March 24 2013, 05:17 PM   #30
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Meanwhile the Enterprise served as a "training ship" for other engineers to be assigned to future Galaxy-Class ships or ships with the new systems the Enterprise had. (Hence the rotating series of engineers we see in the first season.)
This really makes a lot of sense and ties in the rotating Chief Engineers nicely.
And if you add in the Technical Manual's reference to Starfleet initially only putting six Galaxies into service at a rate of one a year), and keeping the parts for more in reserve, a year of that would have built up all the Galaxy-experienced chiefs they needed for the immediate future.
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