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Old March 23 2013, 12:05 AM   #16
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Re: "the chase" Reprucussions

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But, of course, emotion trumps the facts when it comes to the question of God's existence.
You have facts that answer the question of God's existence? I'd like to examine those
Point of order, it was Captain McBain who said that. Correcting the quote.
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Old March 23 2013, 12:06 AM   #17
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But, of course, emotion trumps the facts when it comes to the question of God's existence.
You have facts that answer the question of God's existence? I'd like to examine those
Point of order, it was Captain McBain who said that. Correcting the quote.
Oops, I'm sorry, I hate when that happens

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Old March 23 2013, 12:15 AM   #18
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And I'm just saying that's a logical fallacy and leave it at that.
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Old March 23 2013, 12:23 AM   #19
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Re: "the chase" Reprucussions

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Why would there be reprecussions except for the advancement of peace, knowledge and understanding?

We don't really get to see the "reprecussions" of the Theory of Evolution in everyday life... Maybe the odd documentary about some backward hick school teaching "inteligent design", but other than that it doesn't really affect us too much.
Yup, the old ad hominem attack. Actually, much evidence contradicts evolution and many scientists in our day are creationists. The reason for this is because evolution is not based on facts, but speculation and unproveable assumptions.

Intelligent design is reasonable and is supported by our everyday experiences; life and blind nature creating itself is unreasonable and not supported by our everyday experiences.

But, of course, emotion trumps the facts when it comes to the question of God's existence.
Intelligent design is based off of "Well, some guys wrote this book several millennia ago who say they got this information from a magical sky being." Sorry, I'll take educated assumptions based on years, even centuries, of studied evidence over that any day of the week.

Yes, evolution is based on assumptions but these are educated assumptions over studying samples and all of the evidence. Coincidentally evolution itself is completely evolving to match the latest pieces of evidence to reach the most-likely conclusion.

Creationists still say the earth is only 8,000 years old which hardly makes much room for dinosaurs or for the formation of mountains and such based on pretty much proven facts on the existence of the former and the time it takes to form the latter.
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Old March 23 2013, 12:30 AM   #20
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And I'm just saying that's a logical fallacy and leave it at that.
Yeah, I know, the question may be a bit loaded, but I didn't make the load. The word facts & God in the same thought tend to rub me the wrong way
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Old March 23 2013, 05:19 AM   #21
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Why would there be reprecussions except for the advancement of peace, knowledge and understanding?

We don't really get to see the "reprecussions" of the Theory of Evolution in everyday life... Maybe the odd documentary about some backward hick school teaching "inteligent design", but other than that it doesn't really affect us too much.
Yup, the old ad hominem attack. Actually, much evidence contradicts evolution and many scientists in our day are creationists. The reason for this is because evolution is not based on facts, but speculation and unproveable assumptions.

Intelligent design is reasonable and is supported by our everyday experiences; life and blind nature creating itself is unreasonable and not supported by our everyday experiences.

But, of course, emotion trumps the facts when it comes to the question of God's existence.
Intelligent design is based off of "Well, some guys wrote this book several millennia ago who say they got this information from a magical sky being." Sorry, I'll take educated assumptions based on years, even centuries, of studied evidence over that any day of the week.

Yes, evolution is based on assumptions but these are educated assumptions over studying samples and all of the evidence. Coincidentally evolution itself is completely evolving to match the latest pieces of evidence to reach the most-likely conclusion.

Creationists still say the earth is only 8,000 years old which hardly makes much room for dinosaurs or for the formation of mountains and such based on pretty much proven facts on the existence of the former and the time it takes to form the latter.
I wasn't going to join in on this discussion, but I just thought I'd say, not all people who believe in God believe that. There are extremists in many beliefs/philosophies/etc. But don't lump everyone in with the Westboro Baptist Church!

On topic, The Chase did seem to reveal a pretty important background story that I was slightly disappointed they never returned to. I would've liked to know more about the ancient race.

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Old March 23 2013, 01:14 PM   #22
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The Klingon and Cardassians quickly left orbit, probably forgetting what that message was about and returning to their home worlds. Probably the contents of the message was stored away by the Federation and Romulans in some database somewhere.
Interesting that only the Feds and the Romulans "got" the message. As someone else suggested, maybe there are other such "messages" embedded in our DNA - Perhaps to a super-weapon or some other ancient knowledge. I could imagine a whole Tal-Shiar division attached to discovering such a secret. Perhaps stories to be told lie in that direction...
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Old March 23 2013, 02:03 PM   #23
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Let's get off the "God" tangent before things get heated.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:01 PM   #24
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Due to the actress playing the role of seeder, I might suggest a connection to sphere builders and founders.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:42 PM   #25
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^That's a thin connection, to make an understatement. Might as well say Commander Giotto changed his name to Wesley when he was promoted to Commodore.
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Old March 23 2013, 09:50 PM   #26
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To be fair, in some circles Macet and Dukat are cousins.
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Old March 23 2013, 10:33 PM   #27
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To be fair, in some circles Macet and Dukat are cousins.
I didn't know that. Is that just a fan fantasy, or is there anything to support it?
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Old March 24 2013, 01:57 AM   #28
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Macet is a key figure in the DS9 relaunch. And he is Dukat's cousin, but he hates Dukat.
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Old March 24 2013, 03:21 PM   #29
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...Which is also why he wears a mustache. For a Cardassian, it's a bit like flaunting one's warts, but at least it accentuates the difference.

"The Chase" suggests these generic ancient humanoids seeded the galaxy with material that would create further humanoids eventually. But this doesn't mean that they were the only ones to do so, or that all humanoid life is the result of seeding by them or others. It just shows that their technique triumphed over competition, resulting in the statistical victory of their code being found in dozens of local species (and perhaps millions of species overall) in the 24th century.

Really, such a driven culture would be expected to pursue its goal with aggressive technology that identifies, engages and ruthlessly destroys (or co-opts) competing seeding programs. And so would other, similar cultures, meaning that the "evolution" seen in action in the Trek universe is in fact just a battlefield of weird biotechnologies.

Which is what the evolution seen in action in our universe is all about, too. It's just that we know for sure that in Trek, the technologies were given definite goals by a humanoid intelligence, whereas our competitors have incredibly fuzzy goals they pursue with indifference, always settling for the barely adequate and never thinking ahead...

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Old March 25 2013, 08:16 AM   #30
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...Which is also why he wears a mustache. For a Cardassian, it's a bit like flaunting one's warts, but at least it accentuates the difference.

"The Chase" suggests these generic ancient humanoids seeded the galaxy with material that would create further humanoids eventually. But this doesn't mean that they were the only ones to do so, or that all humanoid life is the result of seeding by them or others. It just shows that their technique triumphed over competition, resulting in the statistical victory of their code being found in dozens of local species (and perhaps millions of species overall) in the 24th century.

Really, such a driven culture would be expected to pursue its goal with aggressive technology that identifies, engages and ruthlessly destroys (or co-opts) competing seeding programs. And so would other, similar cultures, meaning that the "evolution" seen in action in the Trek universe is in fact just a battlefield of weird biotechnologies.

Which is what the evolution seen in action in our universe is all about, too. It's just that we know for sure that in Trek, the technologies were given definite goals by a humanoid intelligence, whereas our competitors have incredibly fuzzy goals they pursue with indifference, always settling for the barely adequate and never thinking ahead...

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"Competing seeding programmes"? She quite clearly states that her species found themselves to be alone in the galaxy - that was their whole reaon behind the seeding programme.
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