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Old March 22 2013, 01:32 AM   #166
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Exploration: File under beating a dead horse. Most of the exploration was a sidebar to the real Trek stories and sometimes even that was within a parable, so exploration was not the central theme. The movies explored little...Sulu was doing scientific tests on Excelsior (but that wouldn't have excited people as a story), Genesis was explored by Reliant and Grissom (again not the central story), even V'Ger--as alien as it was--went to Earth. Every Trek movie but ONE had scenes on Earth.

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TMP: Threat to Earth from Massive Energy Cloud, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in orbit
TWOK: Khan wants revenge, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TSFS: Kirk goes to find Spocks body, no exploring - Scenes in Orbit of Earth
TVH: Threat to Earth from Whale Probe, no exploring - Most of movie on Earth
TFF: Terrorist attack on Nimbus 3, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TUC: Federation/Klingon plot to start a war, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
GENS: Mad Man wants to get back to the Nexus, no exploring - Scenes in orbit of Earth (on Earth in Nexus)
FC: Threat to Earth from the Borg, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
INS: Mad Man wants fountain of youth, no exploring - NO EARTH, after 20 years of Trek movies.
NEM: Threat to Earth from Picards evil twin, no exploring - Wedding scene on Earth, Enterprise in drydock in Earth orbit

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Old March 22 2013, 02:22 AM   #167
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By the way, anyone have a clue who or what the trailer music is from?
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Old March 22 2013, 02:30 AM   #168
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Exploration: File under beating a dead horse. Most of the exploration was a sidebar to the real Trek stories and sometimes even that was within a parable, so exploration was not the central theme. The movies explored little...Sulu was doing scientific tests on Excelsior (but that wouldn't have excited people as a story), Genesis was explored by Reliant and Grissom (again not the central story), even V'Ger--as alien as it was--went to Earth. Every Trek movie but ONE had scenes on Earth.

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TMP: Threat to Earth from Massive Energy Cloud, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in orbit
TWOK: Khan wants revenge, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TSFS: Kirk goes to find Spocks body, no exploring - Scenes in Orbit of Earth
TVH: Threat to Earth from Whale Probe, no exploring - Most of movie on Earth
TFF: Terrorist attack on Nimbus 3, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TUC: Federation/Klingon plot to start a war, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
GENS: Mad Man wants to get back to the Nexus, no exploring - Scenes in orbit of Earth (on Earth in Nexus)
FC: Threat to Earth from the Borg, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
INS: Mad Man wants fountain of youth, no exploring - NO EARTH, after 20 years of Trek movies.
NEM: Threat to Earth from Picards evil twin, no exploring - Wedding scene on Earth, Enterprise in drydock in Earth orbit
In TMP, the Enterprise explored the surface and interior of V'Ger.

In TWOK, the Reliant explored what they thought was Ceti Alpha Six.

In TSFS, the Grissom explored the Genesis Planet.

In TFF, the Enterprise explored the planet that Sybok believed to be Sha Ka Ree.

In TUC, the Excelsior had just explored Beta Quadrant, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies.

In INS, the duck blind was studying the Ba'ku, apparently as part of a mission to explore the Briar Patch, which covered their true purpose.

In NEM, Picard and company explored the surface of Kolarus III in a dune buggy.
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Old March 22 2013, 02:33 AM   #169
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Re: New trekID international trailer wed

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Exploration: File under beating a dead horse. Most of the exploration was a sidebar to the real Trek stories and sometimes even that was within a parable, so exploration was not the central theme. The movies explored little...Sulu was doing scientific tests on Excelsior (but that wouldn't have excited people as a story), Genesis was explored by Reliant and Grissom (again not the central story), even V'Ger--as alien as it was--went to Earth. Every Trek movie but ONE had scenes on Earth.

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TMP: Threat to Earth from Massive Energy Cloud, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in orbit
TWOK: Khan wants revenge, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TSFS: Kirk goes to find Spocks body, no exploring - Scenes in Orbit of Earth
TVH: Threat to Earth from Whale Probe, no exploring - Most of movie on Earth
TFF: Terrorist attack on Nimbus 3, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TUC: Federation/Klingon plot to start a war, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
GENS: Mad Man wants to get back to the Nexus, no exploring - Scenes in orbit of Earth (on Earth in Nexus)
FC: Threat to Earth from the Borg, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
INS: Mad Man wants fountain of youth, no exploring - NO EARTH, after 20 years of Trek movies.
NEM: Threat to Earth from Picards evil twin, no exploring - Wedding scene on Earth, Enterprise in drydock in Earth orbit
In TMP, the Enterprise explored the surface and interior of V'Ger.

In TWOK, the Reliant explored what they thought was Ceti Alpha Six.

In TSFS, the Grissom explored the Genesis Planet.

In TFF, the Enterprise explored the planet that Sybok believed to be Sha Ka Ree.

In TUC, the Excelsior had just explored Beta Quadrant, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies.

In INS, the duck blind was studying the Ba'ku, apparently as part of a mission to explore the Briar Patch, which covered their true purpose.

In NEM, Picard and company explored the surface of Kolarus III in a dune buggy.
Great post. You sum up the facts.
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Old March 22 2013, 02:48 AM   #170
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That was a great trailer. Loved Cumberbatch and his menacing presence, Alice Eve, the TMP uniforms, Alice Eve, and the scale of it all. I also see that J.J. hasn't given up on the lens flares.
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Old March 22 2013, 03:01 AM   #171
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By the way, anyone have a clue who or what the trailer music is from?
To answer my own question, just in case anyone is interested, it's titled Requiem of the Gods by Critical Mass.
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Old March 22 2013, 03:14 AM   #172
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All though...would the reaction be the same if Cumberbatch was shown topless wearing only his briefs? I'm thinking probably "no".
Roughly half the female users of the internet, as well as a few guys, would have exploded if they had. That's probably the reason they're holding off, the internet just can't stand a fangasm of that magnitude.

I think the technical term is 'squirted'...


I'll go in facetiously believing BC is Gary Seven, finally getting his long-awaited spinoff.
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Old March 22 2013, 03:33 AM   #173
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All though...would the reaction be the same if Cumberbatch was shown topless wearing only his briefs? I'm thinking probably "no".
Roughly half the female users of the internet, as well as a few guys, would have exploded if they had. That's probably the reason they're holding off, the internet just can't stand a fangasm of that magnitude.

I think the technical term is 'squirted'...
I know what I said and stand by it. Ever see Scanners? Kinda like that, but it doesn't start with the head.
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Old March 22 2013, 04:23 AM   #174
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By the way, anyone have a clue who or what the trailer music is from?
To answer my own question, just in case anyone is interested, it's titled Requiem of the Gods by Critical Mass.
Alrighty, then.

http://music.selectracks.com/#!details?id=2844701
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Old March 22 2013, 04:28 AM   #175
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Exploration: File under beating a dead horse. Most of the exploration was a sidebar to the real Trek stories and sometimes even that was within a parable, so exploration was not the central theme. The movies explored little...Sulu was doing scientific tests on Excelsior (but that wouldn't have excited people as a story), Genesis was explored by Reliant and Grissom (again not the central story), even V'Ger--as alien as it was--went to Earth. Every Trek movie but ONE had scenes on Earth.

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TMP: Threat to Earth from Massive Energy Cloud, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in orbit
TWOK: Khan wants revenge, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TSFS: Kirk goes to find Spocks body, no exploring - Scenes in Orbit of Earth
TVH: Threat to Earth from Whale Probe, no exploring - Most of movie on Earth
TFF: Terrorist attack on Nimbus 3, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
TUC: Federation/Klingon plot to start a war, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
GENS: Mad Man wants to get back to the Nexus, no exploring - Scenes in orbit of Earth (on Earth in Nexus)
FC: Threat to Earth from the Borg, no exploring - Scenes on Earth and in Orbit
INS: Mad Man wants fountain of youth, no exploring - NO EARTH, after 20 years of Trek movies.
NEM: Threat to Earth from Picards evil twin, no exploring - Wedding scene on Earth, Enterprise in drydock in Earth orbit
In TMP, the Enterprise explored the surface and interior of V'Ger.

In TWOK, the Reliant explored what they thought was Ceti Alpha Six.

In TSFS, the Grissom explored the Genesis Planet.

In TFF, the Enterprise explored the planet that Sybok believed to be Sha Ka Ree.

In TUC, the Excelsior had just explored Beta Quadrant, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies.

In INS, the duck blind was studying the Ba'ku, apparently as part of a mission to explore the Briar Patch, which covered their true purpose.

In NEM, Picard and company explored the surface of Kolarus III in a dune buggy.

STTMP: I didn't say there wasn't exploration of V'Ger but it's not the central theme of the movie, the relationship between Spock and the probe and the man-machine interface was more important. It IS true that this film had the most and purest scientific interest in it.

STII: Reliant was only looking for a place to use Genesis, they didn't WANT to find anything. Again, not the central theme of the movie..

STIII: There was a few min of scanning the planet, but the story was about finding and recovering SPock while the Klingons interrupted. Theme was about friendship and loyalty, not exploration.

STV: Theme was about finding God, no one cared about the planet. No one cared about the movie either.

STVI: Yup mentioned that one, this is not even remotely what the movie was about. The exploration was summed up in one or two lines by Sulu as a throwaway.

INS: The single movie where we don't see Earth. We see some new worlds and do some exploring. It's still not the theme of the movie but there is exploration here.

NEM: Kolarus: They wouldn't have been there without detecting positronic signals. There was no exploration of the planet, just of the signals. BTW, the culture there was pre-warp and they would have broken the prime directive by exploring the planet openly.

STID appears to have the most exploration of any of the movies. Its the first to go to a planet like episodes where they go on a mission.
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Trek has been exploiting beautiful woman since day one and we have Roddenberry to thank for it. Praise the lord. I can safely say of all the images in the trailer the Alice Eve in underwear moment will be the bit Roddenberry would approve of the most.
If he were still around... He'd probably have hit on her.

I wish the hell my abs looked as good as hers...

(or even half as flat... don't get old)
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They shows were never really about exploration. That's just the reason they randomly bumped into plots. It's like saying Doctor Who is about an alien and his companions trying to find a nice quiet place to visit.
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Old March 22 2013, 07:35 AM   #178
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I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to Flake.

I did mention a couple of things you did, but my point was that Flake was wrong. He kept saying "no exploring" over and over. There was in the instances I listed at least some exploration/exploring, contrary to what Flake said after you.

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The[] shows were never really about exploration. That's just the reason they randomly bumped into plots. It's like saying Doctor Who is about an alien and his companions trying to find a nice quiet place to visit.
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Old March 22 2013, 08:03 AM   #179
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Bring Back Nick Meyer!!!!










...No! That would totally suck. LOL!

Bring on the new movie!
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...No! That would totally suck. LOL!

Bring on the new movie!
You scared me for a minute!!!

After digesting it, this seems like this can be extremely good. Orci is into conspiracy theory/government over up type things, and this seems like something he would have enjoy writing about. Granted, we got a little of the government cover-up kind of thing "Insurrection," but that was overshadowed by the fact that it was "Insurrection."

The only critique I have is that the Carol Marcus Underwear thing seems out of place. It's "Trailer... Trailer... Trailer... Almost Nude Woman... Trailer.. Trailer.." I have no problem with the fact that she appears that way in the fil, but I think it just stuck out like a sore thumb in the context of what was a really excellent trailer instead of something more subtle. Of course Alice Eve's physical attributes are not.. um.. subtle.

Pardon my language for a moment, but if anyone says Gene Roddenberry is "rolling in his grave," it is only to make room for the massive hard-on he just got seeing that.
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