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Old March 22 2013, 02:09 AM   #1
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how did Zephram Cochran acheive warp without dilithium crystals?
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Old March 22 2013, 02:31 AM   #2
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Who said he didn't?
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Old March 22 2013, 03:47 AM   #3
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I'm sure he wanted to punch that Vulcan in the face, sure...but if he had then Trek history would be a lot different, most likely.

Fist contact? C'mon.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:14 PM   #4
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chinaski wrote: View Post
how did Zephram Cochran acheive warp without dilithium crystals?
According to old Trek novels, dilithium is found on Earth - but was often mislabelled as simple quartz. Many museums became rich overnight by ransacking their exhibits once dilithium's fourth-dimensional properties were discovered.

Here's a random instructional film:
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Old March 22 2013, 03:02 PM   #5
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thanks for the video- cool!
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Old March 22 2013, 07:43 PM   #6
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AFAIK there is nothing canonical that stated the Phoenix used Dilithium for its warp drive.
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Old March 22 2013, 07:49 PM   #7
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Or that dilithium, trilithium, paralithium or any of the other types of lithium crystal would be necessary ingredients for warp overall. But we know that Feds, Klingons and Romulans alike appreciate and mine the substance (even though large Romulan warships in the 24th century utilize a superior, supposedly dilithium-free power source), and that even minor cultures recognize its value, so apparently it does provide some sort of an advantage.

But it's clear there are many ways to skin this particular cat, and Cochrane might well have used one that doesn't call for any materials more exotic than the titanium for the hull.

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Old March 31 2013, 09:19 PM   #8
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It's also possible he used nuclear fuel.
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Old March 31 2013, 09:37 PM   #9
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I was always under the impression that dilithium was the most efficient fuel source for matter/anti-matter reactors. Some other type of reactor and fuel source may have been used for the Phoenix's short-range test flight.



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I was always under the impression that dilithium was the most efficient fuel source for matter/anti-matter reactors. Some other type of reactor and fuel source may have been used for the Phoenix's short-range test flight.



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Old April 9 2013, 01:01 AM   #11
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Science isn't my strong point, but, I thought that in the fictional Trekverse, Dilithium crystals focused the matter/antimatter reaction. Duterium is the inert fuel mixed with the antimatter. I always assumed that since Cochrane's warp core is a tiny demonstrator, he must have found some other more conventional way to focus the reaction. Geordi was probably being kind by not mentioning the gross inefficiency (compared to what he's used to) of Cochrane's ship.
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Old April 10 2013, 03:17 AM   #12
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He used a Mr. Fusion.
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Old April 10 2013, 10:17 AM   #13
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Old April 10 2013, 04:18 PM   #14
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how did Zephram Cochran acheive warp without dilithium crystals?
I've never seen an episode of Star Trek where they state you can only achieve Warp Drive with dilithium crystals.

Of course, this appears to be the preferred option - but we've seen lots of others (the romulans use a quantum singularity) so cochrane could have been using anything.

Then again, there is nothing in the dialogue that says they don't use them...
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Old April 10 2013, 04:53 PM   #15
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I just figured he somehow reconfigured the nuclear warhead to fuel the thing. Dilithium was just a power source in the 24th century. Like most cars today run on gas, but it's not the only thing in the universe that conceivably propel a car.
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