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Old March 22 2013, 01:16 AM   #6346
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Yeah, John was great in the 90s, but he's barely done a thing besides killing Mogo in twenty years.
Well... except star in Justice League/JLU in the early Aughts.
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Old March 22 2013, 01:24 AM   #6347
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QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
So?
A whole generation of potential comic readers knew Hal as their first Green Lantern when they killed him.

Guess what eventually happened to that dead guy. Guess what happens to most dead guys in comic books.

(Unless this is the first arc you've ever read, I apologize for the spoiler of "Dead doesn't equal dead", especially once Bucky AND Jason Todd came back)
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Old March 22 2013, 01:38 AM   #6348
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QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
So?
A whole generation of potential comic readers knew Hal as their first Green Lantern when they killed him.

Guess what eventually happened to that dead guy. Guess what happens to most dead guys in comic books.

(Unless this is the first arc you've ever read, I apologize for the spoiler of "Dead doesn't equal dead", especially once Bucky AND Jason Todd came back)
And Barry Allen.
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Old March 22 2013, 01:40 AM   #6349
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But by the time they killed Hal, we were glad to see him dead.

I read this short story by Larry Niven about this criminal on death row, and some one is describing the execution process about how they are going to remove his organs safely and cleanly and then donate then all to the community organ bank, and they're saying that he was such a horrible criminal that they may not want his heart and lungs on moral grounds, because normal decent people shouldn't have to carry his unforgivable sins, and the whole way through, he's saying "Why, why did I do it? I'm such a horrible person" and then people are spitting on him, and then by page 7 where the story ends, the hero of the story says "why did I ever think I could get away with driving drunk?"

The house of cards that was Hal Jordan in the nineties was built on rotten foundations.

And then there was that giant debacal where Reed Richards sued him for stealing his whited out side burns.

Zero Hour was a frakking mercy killing.
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Old March 22 2013, 02:00 AM   #6350
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QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
So?
A whole generation of potential comic readers knew Hal as their first Green Lantern when they killed him.

Guess what eventually happened to that dead guy. Guess what happens to most dead guys in comic books.

(Unless this is the first arc you've ever read, I apologize for the spoiler of "Dead doesn't equal dead", especially once Bucky AND Jason Todd came back)
And Barry Allen.
Of course those guys came back, the people running DC don't give a s@#t about anything or anyone that happened after the Silver Age. Why else bring back two guys after they achieved who the f@#k are they status.
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Old March 22 2013, 02:04 AM   #6351
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Anyone want to take bets on when WB decides to say "fuck it" and just turns the publishing line over to Nolan as well?

The money is crap, the audience is tiny, why is a big fish like Nolan going to waste his time on something so peripheral?
I was sort of being facetious and commenting on the fact that they don't seem to have any game plan left for their characters other than that.
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Old March 22 2013, 04:10 AM   #6352
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"So comics sales aren't what they used to be. We need to start branching out and reaching new readers."

"Exactly. Comics are still seen as not quite diverse enough."

"There's only one solution. Kill off one of the most prominent characters of color in the DCU."

"OUTSTANDING IDEA."
QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
Don't worry, he will be back in the next universe reboot scheduled for just under three years from now.
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Old March 22 2013, 04:44 AM   #6353
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Also, a bit off topic, but was I the only one who liked the Metal Men series where they were retconned into having been real people that Magnus had worked with, who he'd put into the bodies to save them? I thoiught that was interesting, and I was really annoyed when DC retconned that later to have all been in Magnus's head.
You're talking about the Mike Carlin/Dan Jurgens mini-series of about 1993/4?

Yeah, I liked that. And I liked how Magnus himself became one of the Metal Men at the end.

I was disappointed to learn a few years ago that that story was no longer in continuity. Much like the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale Challengers of the Unknown story, which I also loved the heck out of.
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Old March 22 2013, 05:27 AM   #6354
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Don't worry, he will be back in the next universe reboot scheduled for just under three years from now.
The funny thing is, I read that as "just under three HOURS from now..."
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Old March 22 2013, 05:30 AM   #6355
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I read more than one where the fembot Silver was constantly hitting on Professor Magnus, and he was laughing it off. has there ever been a "continuity" where they just do it? I mean, why build a sexy fembot if it's not for sex?
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Old March 22 2013, 05:59 AM   #6356
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Don't worry, he will be back in the next universe reboot scheduled for just under three years from now.
The funny thing is, I read that as "just under three HOURS from now..."
And I bet you thought it was plausible!
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Old March 22 2013, 02:19 PM   #6357
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"So comics sales aren't what they used to be. We need to start branching out and reaching new readers."

"Exactly. Comics are still seen as not quite diverse enough."

"There's only one solution. Kill off one of the most prominent characters of color in the DCU."

"OUTSTANDING IDEA."
QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
Unfortunately most of these potential comic readers don't read comics so frankly imo their opinions shouldn't be considered. I'm looking at most hipsters/tumblr-users here that Marvel has spent all their time pandering to.

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They just need to get rid of DiDio...which is going to be a hard thing to do since he seems to have Diane Nelson's support. So if Nelson is removed as CEO then perhaps there will be some kind of regime overhaul again. I doubt this will happen.
They also need to get rid of Jim Lee and Bob Harras too. Harras more than Didio now that I think about it.

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Old March 22 2013, 04:47 PM   #6358
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Unfortunately most of these potential comic readers don't read comics so frankly imo their opinions shouldn't be considered.
And when all the old fans die of old age then what are they supposed to do?
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Old March 22 2013, 05:39 PM   #6359
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So?
A whole generation of potential comic readers knew Hal as their first Green Lantern when they killed him.

Guess what eventually happened to that dead guy. Guess what happens to most dead guys in comic books.

(Unless this is the first arc you've ever read, I apologize for the spoiler of "Dead doesn't equal dead", especially once Bucky AND Jason Todd came back)
And Barry Allen.
At this point are Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben still the only "big" characters still dead after a long time?

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QFT. A whole generation of potential comics readers know John as their first Green Lantern.
Unfortunately most of these potential comic readers don't read comics so frankly imo their opinions shouldn't be considered. I'm looking at most hipsters/tumblr-users here that Marvel has spent all their time pandering to.
True, most don't. But can DC afford to not consider those who do?
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Old March 22 2013, 06:13 PM   #6360
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Unfortunately most of these potential comic readers don't read comics so frankly imo their opinions shouldn't be considered.
And when all the old fans die of old age then what are they supposed to do?
You are assuming that there aren't new people entering the fandom.
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