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Old March 20 2013, 12:33 AM   #871
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Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it

When I heard that they were bringing Replicators into SGA, I stopped watching.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:27 AM   #872
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To be honest, Replicator episodes were my least favourite of Atlantis. Okay, Be All My Sins Remember's is kind of a cool combat episode, but otherwise I could have done without the Replicators.

Besides, it always struck me as though Atlantis wanted something to do with all the Ancient ships and costumes they had created in season 2 and the obvious solution was to bring in Replicators that mimic the Ancients. Personally, I'd have preferred they bring in a villainous faction of the Ancients themselves, but that's a whole other matter.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:03 AM   #873
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I really enjoyed all of the Ori aspects of The Ark of Truth, I thought it was a solid (if somewhat convenient, though pretty much all of SG-1's nemeses were vanquished thanks to a bunch of conveniences) ending to the storyline. But I completely agree with The Wormhole and bigdaddy about the Replicator subplot. I was never a fan of the Replicators to begin with, but there was absolutely no need to add them into AoT. It's like they came up with the A-plot and then realized they had a bunch of room left over, so they added in this idiotic Replicator B-plot to fill out the running time.

The scene between Teal'c and Tomin is one of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise.

That was my problem with later Stargate, it was lame and weak, and predictable. It was just all of the same; more and more of the same.

I got used to "Look we found a cure for all our problems" storylines, but so many Replicators is just annoying. It was completely out of place and they should have just included more character moments.

And on Atlantis you would think they are in a new galaxy and that there should be new bad guys, new things. We get got vampire bugs and more Replicators. Humans ones at that, the bugs were at least neat looking.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:33 AM   #874
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I don't have any recollection of the replicator sub-plot in Ark of Truth, which probably says something about it.
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Old March 20 2013, 05:26 AM   #875
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And on Atlantis you would think they are in a new galaxy and that there should be new bad guys, new things. We get got vampire bugs and more Replicators. Humans ones at that, the bugs were at least neat looking.
From what I've heard they also had evil Asgard at one point.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:38 AM   #876
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And on Atlantis you would think they are in a new galaxy and that there should be new bad guys, new things. We get got vampire bugs and more Replicators. Humans ones at that, the bugs were at least neat looking.
From what I've heard they also had evil Asgard at one point.
I forgot about the evil Asgard! I stopped watching by then, but seriously, this is why Stargate needed a break. They should have waited a few years for a third show.
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Old March 20 2013, 11:14 AM   #877
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I really enjoyed all of the Ori aspects of The Ark of Truth, I thought it was a solid (if somewhat convenient, though pretty much all of SG-1's nemeses were vanquished thanks to a bunch of conveniences) ending to the storyline. But I completely agree with The Wormhole and bigdaddy about the Replicator subplot. I was never a fan of the Replicators to begin with, but there was absolutely no need to add them into AoT. It's like they came up with the A-plot and then realized they had a bunch of room left over, so they added in this idiotic Replicator B-plot to fill out the running time.
The replicators are my least favorite well.. anything. I watched some Stargate on tv years ago and it was replicator episodes which did not encourage me to go to the huge effort watching sci fi on free to air tv in this country requires. All I remember from that first exposure to Stargate was the sets all looked the same (Goa'uld ship interiors) and the stupid replicators were a really unengaging villain. Then when I ended up jumping into the Stargate universe via Atlantis dvds I was just waiting for the replicators to hurry up and go away. They are like knock off versions of the Borg in Atlantis but with no pathos. It's not good to never care at all about the villain.

However in The Ark of Truth they were the last thing on my mind and I had NO IDEA what the IOA guy had made until it appeared. It was a great shock not only to see it but to see how stupid, desperate, lashing out insane the IOA was to come up with such a thing. When IOA guy was locked in the room doing his dirty work I assumed he wasn't really IOA, he was working for the Lucian Alliance or was a Goa'uld. I enjoy it when the bad guy is one of us with the same ideals just a different path to them so it all worked for me. I didn't mind seeing the replicators take over the ship because it was only one fight, on the planet we Vala and Daniel and Teal'c on their own perilous journey. Also zombie replicator IOA dude was awesomely horrible.
The scene between Teal'c and Tomin is one of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:19 PM   #878
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See, I don't understand that reaction to the IOA plan. It was a hell of a lot more cunning and plausible than the plan that SG-1 had. The Replicators would have decimated the Ori fleet and the shutdown command did work. What did the SGC come up with? Find an Ark that appears in Daniels dreams and that a book of scripture makes some vague reference to, that has been lost for millions of years despite heretics searching high and low for it on their own planet? Sounds legit...
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Old March 20 2013, 05:42 PM   #879
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^^I think it has more to do with how the IOA implemented their plan, basically subverting an ongoing mission and placing the Odyssey and its crew in lethal danger. That to me pretty much makes them villains in the story.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:58 AM   #880
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What is so hilarious is the entrance to the tunnel that contains the ark is a perfectly visible door sized stone tablet raised above the ground. And yet somehow everyone else has missed it because they didn't have their own personal force ghost standing on top of it.
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Old March 21 2013, 11:16 AM   #881
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Started Continuum, took me 40 minutes to watch the first 16 minutes because of phone calls and interruptions. Have given up

Hopefully soon.
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Old March 21 2013, 01:53 PM   #882
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Heh, I remember the first time I watched Continuum I had to get to go to the bathroom too many times during the first twenty minutes.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:29 PM   #883
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See, I don't understand that reaction to the IOA plan. It was a hell of a lot more cunning and plausible than the plan that SG-1 had. The Replicators would have decimated the Ori fleet and the shutdown command did work. What did the SGC come up with? Find an Ark that appears in Daniels dreams and that a book of scripture makes some vague reference to, that has been lost for millions of years despite heretics searching high and low for it on their own planet? Sounds legit...
But it was still completely reckless to use an enemy like the replicators that proved themselves to be so intelligent, adaptive and resilient. The Replicators nearly destroyed the entire Milky Way Galaxy. The only reason they failed is because SG1 miraculously found an uber powerful Ancient device and was able to use it just in the nick of time. There were many times where the Replicators adapted to SG1's weapons and they were no longer effective.

And, you cannot count on the shutdown code always working. At some point, the Replicators probably would have found a way to rewrite their code. Plus, we know that Replicators are what they eat. If the Replicators "assimilate" Ori tech, who knows how powerful they would have become. The IOA plan would have problem led to the Replicators conquering the entire Ori Galaxy, evolving to a new breed of uber powerful Replicator, and invading the Milky Way Galaxy again, but this stop with no way for SG1 to stop them.

The IOA plan would have been like Sisko in WYLB, using the Borg to conquer the Dominion. You are likely to just replace one powerful enemy with an even more powerful enemy.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:28 PM   #884
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See, I don't understand that reaction to the IOA plan. It was a hell of a lot more cunning and plausible than the plan that SG-1 had. The Replicators would have decimated the Ori fleet and the shutdown command did work. What did the SGC come up with? Find an Ark that appears in Daniels dreams and that a book of scripture makes some vague reference to, that has been lost for millions of years despite heretics searching high and low for it on their own planet? Sounds legit...
But it was still completely reckless to use an enemy like the replicators that proved themselves to be so intelligent, adaptive and resilient. The Replicators nearly destroyed the entire Milky Way Galaxy. The only reason they failed is because SG1 miraculously found an uber powerful Ancient device and was able to use it just in the nick of time. There were many times where the Replicators adapted to SG1's weapons and they were no longer effective.

And, you cannot count on the shutdown code always working. At some point, the Replicators probably would have found a way to rewrite their code. Plus, we know that Replicators are what they eat. If the Replicators "assimilate" Ori tech, who knows how powerful they would have become. The IOA plan would have problem led to the Replicators conquering the entire Ori Galaxy, evolving to a new breed of uber powerful Replicator, and invading the Milky Way Galaxy again, but this stop with no way for SG1 to stop them.

The IOA plan would have been like Sisko in WYLB, using the Borg to conquer the Dominion. You are likely to just replace one powerful enemy with an even more powerful enemy.
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Old March 21 2013, 09:39 PM   #885
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Heh, I remember the first time I watched Continuum I had to get to go to the bathroom too many times during the first twenty minutes.
Are you sure? You might have been stuck in a time loop.
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