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Old March 20 2013, 09:45 PM   #16
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Re: New to DS9...

Seasons one and two might be slow, as it was with the other series but they have a few Gems within them: "Duet" and "Necessary Evil" are the best of each of those seasons. (imho) Anywho, I started with a six season episode with "Wrongs Darker than Death or Night" and was hooked. When it came to DVD, I bought every season as it came on the shelves and a few books.
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Old March 20 2013, 10:15 PM   #17
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Re: New to DS9...

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The reason for my thread is this, I NEED new Trek. Therefore, can you niners direct me to the best season with which to start the series? 2?3?
Honestly (and with all due repect), I would advise you not to bother. Unlike the other series' set in the "Star Trek" universe, DS9 really builds upon itself. To try and shortcut your way through its 7 seasons would create cracks & pits in the foundation of the larger story being told.

Also, if you strongly dislike Cmdr. Sisko now then I doubt your disposition towards him will change enough overtime to win you over, and since he is the focal point of the series (on a number of different levels) I think you'd find yourself swimming against the current.

Just tossing in my two-cents.
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Old March 20 2013, 10:34 PM   #18
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I agree with those who say that Sisko's role in the series is not as central as most of the other captains. He has a huge part in "Emissary," but after that it becomes more of an ensemble show. In later seasons he takes more focus at times, but the plots are usually considered better, too (I'm one of the people who prefer the early seasons, but I know I'm probably in the minority).

I think you'd be in for a worse time if you couldn't stand Kira, Odo or O'Brien.
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Old March 21 2013, 06:21 AM   #19
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Re: New to DS9...

Thank you to everyone who responded. I haven't said anything for a while because I wanted to read as many thoughts and opinions as possible. I think I'll restart Emissary tomorrow and see how I go from there.

DalekJim, if I start struggling during the first season, I'll use your list. Rest assured guys, I will see a LARGE part of DS9. Bear in mind that I love Worf, O'Brien and space battles.

Danger Ice, I love the honesty. It's very refreshing. If you weren't the only one who said Sisko was the focal point, I'd have gone with the season skipping formula I had planned earlier.
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Old March 21 2013, 10:12 AM   #20
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Thank you to everyone who responded. I haven't said anything for a while because I wanted to read as many thoughts and opinions as possible. I think I'll restart Emissary tomorrow and see how I go from there.

DalekJim, if I start struggling during the first season, I'll use your list. Rest assured guys, I will see a LARGE part of DS9. Bear in mind that I love Worf, O'Brien and space battles.

Danger Ice, I love the honesty. It's very refreshing. If you weren't the only one who said Sisko was the focal point, I'd have gone with the season skipping formula I had planned earlier.
This is an Abridged and Filler list I made for all of DS9.

Deep Space Nine 1993-1999

Season 1

Emissary Part 1-2
Past Prologue
Captive Pursuit
Dax
The Nagus
Battle Lines
The Forsaken
Duet
In the Hands of the Propherts

Season 2

The Homecoming
The Circle
The Siege
Cardassians
Rules of Acquisition
Necessary Evil
Sanctuary
The Alternate
Profit and Loss
The Maquis Part 1-2
The Wire
The Collaborator
Tribunal
The Jem'Hadar

Season 3

The Search part 1-2
Equilibrium
Second Skin
The Abandoned
Civil Defense
Defiant
Past Tense Part 1-2
Life Support
Heart of Stone
Destiny
Improbable Cause
The Die is Cast
Explorers
Family Business
Shakaar
The Adversary

Season 4

The Way of the Warrior 1-2
The Visitor
Hippocratic Oath
Indiscretion
Rejoined
Little Green Men
Homefront
Paradise Lost
Crossfire
Return to Grace
Sons of Mogh
Bar Association
Accession
Rules of Engagement
For the Cause
Body Parts
Broken Link

Season 5

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
The Begotten
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
Call to Arms

Season 6

A Time to Stand
Rocks and Shoals
Sons and Daughters
Behind the Lines
Favor the Bold
Sacrifice of Angels
You Are Cordially Invited
The Magnificent Ferengi
Statistical Probabilities
Waltz
Far Beyond the Stars
Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night
Inquisition
In the Pale Moonlight
His Way
The Reckoning
Valiant
Tears of the Prophets

Season 7
Image in the Sand
Shadows and Symbols
Afterimage
Treachery, Faith and the Great River
Once More Unto the Breach
The Siege of AR-558
Covenant
It's Only a Paper Moon
Chimera
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Penumbra
'Til Death Do Us Part
Strange Bedfellows
The Changing Face of Evil
When It Rains...
Tacking Into the Wind
Extreme Measures
The Dogs of War
What You Leave Behind 1-2

Give it a once over if you struggle to watch DS9 in it's entirety. I admit I found DS9 a chore to sit through in it's first 5 seasons. Full thread here http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=190942
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Old March 21 2013, 11:11 AM   #21
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Re: New to DS9...

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Seasons one and two might be slow, as it was with the other series but they have a few Gems within them
It bothers a lot of fans but I love the emphasis on Bajoran politics and religion in the first few seasons. It's horrifically dumbed down in Season 7 in to being a confict between 2d good and evil but I find it really interesting in the beginning of the show. Shame it got phased out in favour of Klingon and Dominion conflicts really.
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Old March 21 2013, 11:56 AM   #22
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Re: New to DS9...

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It bothers a lot of fans but I love the emphasis on Bajoran politics and religion in the first few seasons. It's horrifically dumbed down in Season 7 in to being a confict between 2d good and evil but I find it really interesting in the beginning of the show. Shame it got phased out in favour of Klingon and Dominion conflicts really.
True. I like both arcs, but I enjoyed the Bajoran/Cardassian era more than the Dominion War era.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:38 PM   #23
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It bothers a lot of fans but I love the emphasis on Bajoran politics and religion in the first few seasons. It's horrifically dumbed down in Season 7 in to being a confict between 2d good and evil but I find it really interesting in the beginning of the show. Shame it got phased out in favour of Klingon and Dominion conflicts really.
True. I like both arcs, but I enjoyed the Bajoran/Cardassian era more than the Dominion War era.
I love all the early work done on Bajor, its culture and recovery from the Occupation, as well as their status with the Cardassians. It had to be so, since they are the native species a lot would revolve around them and they had to be a properly realised race.

It bothered me when the Klingons came to the forefront, as I personally see them as a species who have been over-used. I liked the Dominion as an enemy, it was good to see an alien empire with more than just once species shown. The war did have a lot of good stories, battles and trials for the crew. I always find it a pity we never got to see all the hard work that went on afterwards.
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Old March 21 2013, 05:20 PM   #24
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The first couple of seasons can be a bit of a slog at times, granted. However, make the effort, it pays off later on, IMO. DSN gets really consistently good in it's third season. This is when thewy stopped trying to be "TNG Jr." and decided to just be the best DSN they could be.

And as far as Avery Brooks' acting goes - I've never understood the criticisms, honestly. I think he's just fine.
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Old March 21 2013, 08:16 PM   #25
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I'd definitely rate it as the best of the five series (TNG, the original, Voyager, Enterprise, FWIW). But it takes time to work out what's working properly and go with it, and that goes with Sisko too, so it's at its weakest in the early episodes where they're trying to do conventional Trek episodes with Sisko in the conventional captain's role... while also not doing that. Eventually they work out how to make it all work well for series and character.
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Old March 22 2013, 09:18 AM   #26
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I must admit, I'm enjoying it. It's really quite good. As an update to those interested, I'm now watching "Babel," the fourth episode. Thanks guys.
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Old March 22 2013, 09:20 AM   #27
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This is an Abridged and Filler list I made for all of DS9.

Deep Space Nine 1993-1999

Season 1

Emissary Part 1-2
Past Prologue
Captive Pursuit
Dax
The Nagus
Battle Lines
The Forsaken
Duet
In the Hands of the Propherts

Season 2

The Homecoming
The Circle
The Siege
Cardassians
Rules of Acquisition
Necessary Evil
Sanctuary
The Alternate
Profit and Loss
The Maquis Part 1-2
The Wire
The Collaborator
Tribunal
The Jem'Hadar

Season 3

The Search part 1-2
Equilibrium
Second Skin
The Abandoned
Civil Defense
Defiant
Past Tense Part 1-2
Life Support
Heart of Stone
Destiny
Improbable Cause
The Die is Cast
Explorers
Family Business
Shakaar
The Adversary

Season 4

The Way of the Warrior 1-2
The Visitor
Hippocratic Oath
Indiscretion
Rejoined
Little Green Men
Homefront
Paradise Lost
Crossfire
Return to Grace
Sons of Mogh
Bar Association
Accession
Rules of Engagement
For the Cause
Body Parts
Broken Link

Season 5

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
The Begotten
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
Call to Arms

Season 6

A Time to Stand
Rocks and Shoals
Sons and Daughters
Behind the Lines
Favor the Bold
Sacrifice of Angels
You Are Cordially Invited
The Magnificent Ferengi
Statistical Probabilities
Waltz
Far Beyond the Stars
Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night
Inquisition
In the Pale Moonlight
His Way
The Reckoning
Valiant
Tears of the Prophets

Season 7
Image in the Sand
Shadows and Symbols
Afterimage
Treachery, Faith and the Great River
Once More Unto the Breach
The Siege of AR-558
Covenant
It's Only a Paper Moon
Chimera
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Penumbra
'Til Death Do Us Part
Strange Bedfellows
The Changing Face of Evil
When It Rains...
Tacking Into the Wind
Extreme Measures
The Dogs of War
What You Leave Behind 1-2

Give it a once over if you struggle to watch DS9 in it's entirety. I admit I found DS9 a chore to sit through in it's first 5 seasons. Full thread here http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=190942
Thanks, ASE. However, if things keep going like this, I mightn't need any shortcuts
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Old March 22 2013, 01:46 PM   #28
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I must admit, I'm enjoying it. It's really quite good. As an update to those interested, I'm now watching "Babel," the fourth episode. Thanks guys.
I'm so glad to hear it! Please keep us updated!
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Old March 22 2013, 03:20 PM   #29
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Lt. LaForge wrote: View Post
I must admit, I'm enjoying it. It's really quite good. As an update to those interested, I'm now watching "Babel," the fourth episode. Thanks guys.
I am glad to hear it, as well. To be sure, there are some clunkers in there, but overall, it continues to improve. Kepp it up, and keep letting us know.
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Old March 23 2013, 08:01 PM   #30
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It bothers a lot of fans but I love the emphasis on Bajoran politics and religion in the first few seasons. It's horrifically dumbed down in Season 7 in to being a confict between 2d good and evil but I find it really interesting in the beginning of the show. Shame it got phased out in favour of Klingon and Dominion conflicts really.
I so tend to agree with you. For me, the Bajoran angle really helped define DS9 as being something wonderfully different. In TOS and TNG everything was hit & run. Deep Space Nine, however, was a feet firmly planted, come hell or high-water affair. Neither approach is inherantly better than the other, but is a groundbreaking and wonderful thing that Star Trek gave us both to enjoy.

No insult intended, but I think many fans cling to "Star Trek" as a security blanket whereby any deviation from the TOS established formula unsettles them. DS9 deviated from and challenged the status quo of Trek. I personally like it when writers poke at things with their #2 lead sticks. Others don't. IDIC.
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