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Old March 20 2013, 09:28 PM   #46
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my eyes, my eyes

cannot take the sheer coolness
Of the ship being hit with an ugly stick? That's what passes for "sheer coolness" these days?
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Old March 20 2013, 09:36 PM   #47
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hey i saw a magazine describe justin bieber as a 'hunk' the other day, so who knows what passes as anything these days haha ;P
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Old March 21 2013, 02:02 AM   #48
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God. that thing looks like the Enterprise and a ship from Star Wars had a baby that was born with an extra chromosome.
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Old March 21 2013, 04:04 AM   #49
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Oy. It looked better in my memory than in those pictures :-/
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Old March 21 2013, 08:16 AM   #50
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Oy. It looked better in my memory than in those pictures :-/
The quick shots of it we see of it in the episode sort of don't allow one to see all of these lovely "details" on it that make the ship look like an abomination of common sense.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:40 PM   #51
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I'm glad they came up with the Sovereign class for the movies instead of using this thing. It would have looked terrible on the big screen. Although, I do think the ENT-D had potential to look good on the big screen with some small adjustments.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:48 PM   #52
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The Ent-D looked gorgeous on the big screen in GEN. Sure the model wasn't greatly practical for shooting or maneuvering but they quickly went to CGI anyway so that idea is a wash.

The Ent-D was as much of a character in TNG as everyonbe else and it's just disgusting how easily and quickly she was destroyed and dismissed as if she was just another piece of the set they didn't want anymore.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:22 PM   #53
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Whatever be said of the aesthetics, the refit we see is actually among the most realistic in Star Trek. That's what's really done with ships that no longer can serve on their original merit: new gear is bolted on, old abilities are lost forever, and mission flexibility is given up for the ability to mount one decisive piece of hardware that no other, self-respecting ship type will agree to carry.

The triple-naceller most reminds me of the British monitors of the World Wars, except that this time it's the old spaceframe that's carried over and the weaponry that's modified (whereas those British ships had high tech supergun turrets installed on first one generation, then another of shallow-draught, bargain-basement hulls). Probably Starfleet saw the one purpose this giant but obsolete ship could still fulfill: the carrying of the clumsy, outsize phaser lance.

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Old March 21 2013, 03:37 PM   #54
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Except in the AGT-future the Enterprise-D is 25 years old. Throughout TNG we see Mirandas (or Miranda variants), Constellations and Excelsior class ships, all ships that are probably pushing 80 with no pointless bullshit bolted on that ruins their original design aesthetic. And even if we accept that those classes of ships are new models of a 80-year-old design it wasn't changed in any meaningful way.

But the Galaxy-class? Eh, after 20 years bolt on some bullshit that doesn't look like it belongs, add some little winglets and put a giant air-conditioner on top of the main shuttle bay. Shuttle bay's one and two? Fuck them, pull them out and jam in some more impulse engines.
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Old March 21 2013, 04:16 PM   #55
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Sorry, but I think many of you are missing the point.

The ship is supposed to be ugly. It's a dark nasty future with a old miserable and hunched Riker with a nasty hunched Enterprise in a dark war torn future where an peaceful exploration ship had a lot of guns welded to it so the Federation could survive. This is the future to be avoided. It's not supposed to be nice.

All that out of the way, I like it!
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Old March 21 2013, 04:19 PM   #56
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Sorry, but I think many of you are missing the point.

The ship is supposed to be ugly. It's a dark nasty future with a old miserable and hunched Riker with a nasty hunched Enterprise in a dark war torn future where an peaceful exploration ship had a lot of guns welded to it so the Federation could survive. This is the future to be avoided. It's not supposed to be nice.
Mission accomplished.

Still doesn't mean people have to like it.
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Old March 21 2013, 04:30 PM   #57
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The Ent-D was as much of a character in TNG as everyonbe else and it's just disgusting how easily and quickly she was destroyed and dismissed as if she was just another piece of the set they didn't want anymore.
Seeing the Enterprise-D destroyed was mind blowing... in Time Squared. After episodes like Cause and Effect, any emotional component to seeing it destroyed was long gone.
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Old March 21 2013, 04:39 PM   #58
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Mission accomplished.

Still doesn't mean people have to like it.
Indeed. I think the fact that I like it is how out of tune I am with the whole TNG philosophical mindset. I'm quite sure the intended reaction was to say, Oh, what did they do to Enterprise? and not in a good way.
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Old March 21 2013, 04:51 PM   #59
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But the Galaxy-class?
Not the Galaxy class. Just the Enterprise-D, an individual ship for some reason beyond redemption and for that reason shunted for use as a phaser lance platform.

Although it seems that something big happened to warp drive at this juncture, too - warp 13 is now possible somehow. Quite possibly, all previous starship types were outdated overnight by the propulsion breakthrough, and have no practical frontline use even when equipped with an extra nacelle. It's not as if we would see any Mirandas, Excelsiors or even Nebulas or Sovereigns survive till the "AGT" era. Only a single low-registered and thus probably fairly old (2350s?) hospital ship is seen - capable of speeds similar to the poor old E-D, but not exactly frontline material, either.

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Old March 21 2013, 07:22 PM   #60
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She does look pretty awful actually, looking at her.

Maybe that is the in-universe explanation too? Maybe Admiral Riker just went too far with his refit:

INT. STARFLEET H.Q. MEETING

RIKER: (articulating with hands) "... and do you know what else? I just want this... big muthafukkin' LASER CANNON on the bottom of the saucer dish. And a third warp nacelle. I want a third warp nacelle. I don't give a DAMN about the physics, just make it happen."

(Cue nervous aside glances from the attending Starfleet R&D guys.)
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