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Old March 18 2013, 08:58 PM   #16
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Re: Existing sci-fi stories adapted into Star Trek?

Sometimes the same idea is so big that it gets used again and again from different perspectives like Voyager's holodeck stories etc. but if GR wrote The Robot's Return before Lucas wrote The Changeling then who is stealing from who? All Good Things to me was not a homage but a rip off. that's it. If Vonnegut was still alive he probably wrote have sued for it's similarity to Slaughter House Five and would have been justified. Unconscious stealing from some memo is still stealing evidenced by RDM's Tapestry.
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Old March 18 2013, 09:23 PM   #17
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Re: Existing sci-fi stories adapted into Star Trek?

Forbidden Planet. It was almost a TOS episode anyway...
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Old March 18 2013, 11:35 PM   #18
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Re: Existing sci-fi stories adapted into Star Trek?

If memory serves, "Robot's Return" was a story premise for GENESIS II, written around 1973, several years after Lucas' "The Changeling."

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Old March 18 2013, 11:42 PM   #19
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Re: Existing sci-fi stories adapted into Star Trek?

Wasn't the Voyager episode "Blink of an Eye" based on an existing science fiction story?
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Old March 18 2013, 11:57 PM   #20
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Re: Existing sci-fi stories adapted into Star Trek?

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Forbidden Planet. It was almost a TOS episode anyway...
Which, by the transitive property, means that Shakespeare's "The Tempest" inspired STAR TREK.

(And, seriously, Trek's "Requiem for Methuselah" owes more to FORBIDDEN PLANET than R.U.R.)
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Old March 18 2013, 11:59 PM   #21
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Sir Rhosis wrote: View Post
If memory serves, "Robot's Return" was a story premise for GENESIS II, written around 1973, several years after Lucas' "The Changeling."
Umm, here is what I said in post #7:
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("In Thy Image" was itself inspired by "Robots Return," an unused story idea from Roddenberry's failed Genesis II series premise. It's possible that Roddenberry drew on "The Changeling," consciously or otherwise, in conceiving of "Robots Return," but Foster and Livingston may have had no knowledge of that. In any case, it's an indirect enough line of influence that it doesn't qualify as an adaptation.)
So you're just repeating what's already been stated.


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Wasn't the Voyager episode "Blink of an Eye" based on an existing science fiction story?
It does bear a broad conceptual similarity to Robert L. Forward's novels Dragon's Egg and Starquake, about a society of life forms on a neutron star who live millions of times faster than we do (because the particles of atomic-density matter are so much closer together so interactions happen far faster). But it isn't directly based on those books by any means, otherwise there'd be a story credit for Forward, and there isn't. I find a lot of online speculation that the books may have inspired the episode, but it's only speculation based on their similarity. And really, they aren't similar at all beyond the "aliens who live really fast" premise.
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Old March 19 2013, 12:02 AM   #22
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^^^You are correct; my apologies.

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Old March 19 2013, 01:47 AM   #23
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Forbidden Planet was not "almost a Star Trek episode."

Star Trek was almost a Forbidden Planet sequel.
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Old March 19 2013, 08:56 PM   #24
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Star Wars was an episode of Trek.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:40 PM   #25
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Robert Bloch's Redjac story was derived from his other work with the Jack the Ripper...including A Toy for Juliette in "Dangerous Visions", which Harlan Ellsion wrote a sequel to. It was Bloch's idea of an immortal RIpper that carried over into Wolf in the FOld.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Night-Ripp.../dp/0812500709

Stephen Baxter wrote a story outline for Voyager that was never used:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=149797

As I point out in the link, there was reverse pollination there too, where Voyager actually inspired his collaboration with Arthur C Clarke.

I would also like to point out ST's first tale about the origin of the Transporter was written by David Brin in graphic novel form!! Forgiveness:

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page...3ADavid%20Brin

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Old March 20 2013, 07:29 PM   #26
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^Actually Forgiveness wasn't the first tale about the origin of the transporter. Marvel Comics did an issue on that subject in 1980 (a story which was actually a bit similar to ENT's "Daedalus," in that it involved "ghosts" that were incorporeal victims of early, failed transporter experiments). Also preceding Forgiveness by a couple of years was "Dead Man's Hand" in the Pocket anthology The Lives of Dax, which had Tobin Dax and Sarek's father Skon perfecting human transportation during the Romulan War -- which ENT has since contradicted, of course.
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Old March 20 2013, 07:55 PM   #27
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Deep Space 9's episode Whispers is remarkably similar to Philip K Dick's story "Imposter". There are many plot elements that directly mirror what happens in Dick's story in a way that makes it hard to believe the writer wasn't influenced.
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Old March 20 2013, 08:03 PM   #28
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^Like I said, different writers independently coming up with the same idea only seems unlikely to people who aren't writers -- or producers or editors taking submissions from writers. Not only is it not improbable or suspicious, it is downright routine. It happens all the time. There are only so many ways to put a story together coherently, and we're all part of the same culture with the same ideas influencing us.

There are over 700 distinct Star Trek episodes and movies at this point. You can probably pick any given one of them and find an existing story that it closely parallels.
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Old March 20 2013, 08:06 PM   #29
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Forbidden Planet was not "almost a Star Trek episode."

Star Trek was almost a Forbidden Planet sequel.
You are, of course, correct !
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Old March 20 2013, 08:50 PM   #30
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Marvel Comics did an issue on that subject in 1980 (a story which was actually a bit similar to ENT's "Daedalus," in that it involved "ghosts" that were incorporeal victims of early, failed transporter experiments).
I'll have to look up these stories—the "ghosts" aspect sounds a bit like Robert Sheckley's IMMORTALITY, INC.
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