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Old March 20 2013, 12:26 PM   #1
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New to DS9...

I've seen TNG (My personal favourite series), TOS and Enterprise (My 2nd favourite. I just love it so much). I'm in need of more Trek and Voyager just won't do.

The major gripe I have with DS9 is Sisko. Brooks' portayal just seems so over-the-top for me. He puts me off and as the main guy, pushes me away from the series. I don't think I can bear 7 seasons with this guy. I've seen about 4 episodes...I couldn't even finish the pilot.

The reason for my thread is this, I NEED new Trek. Therefore, can you niners direct me to the best season with which to start the series? 2?3?
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Old March 20 2013, 12:58 PM   #2
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Re: New to DS9...

I really like Sisko. He stats the season a broken man and we see him heal over the course of the show due to his adventures and relationships with the characters. Avery Brooks' performance is kinda inconsistent early on but from S4 onwards he's outstanding in the role.

DS9 is my favourite Trek series but I'd admit Season 1 isn't too hot. It's a LOT better than TNG S1 and S2 but it pales in comparison to DS9's peak of Seasons 3-6. I love the pilot but there are way too many TNG-lite episodes in there. Only S1 episodes I ever revisit are Emissary, Captive Pursuit, Duel and the finale. Rest are pretty skippable.

Season 2 is a big improvement but there are still a lot of TNG-lite eps. It isn't until Season 3 that DS9 fully establishes its own tone and ambition.

I wouldn't skip any season personally. Getting to know all the characters in these adventure-of-the-week episodes is crucial for caring about them during the show's major story arcs. Also, DS9 is one long coherent serial so skipping a season will mean you lose vital plotpoints to future episodes. If you are really fed up though, then I recommend this viewing for the "essentials":

S1 -

Emissary
Past Prologue
Captive Pursuit
Battle Lines
Duet
In The Hands of the Prophets

S2 -

The Homecoming
The Circle
The Siege
Cardassians
Necessary Evil
Blood Oath
The Maquis Part 1
The Maquis Part 2
The Wire
Crossover
The Jem'Hadar


From S3 onwards, DS9 is consistent enough to just watch through. But I still wouldn't recommend skipping anything, really. The first 2 seasons of Enterprise are more mediocre than early DS9.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:41 PM   #3
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Re: New to DS9...

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The reason for my thread is this, I NEED new Trek. Therefore, can you niners direct me to the best season with which to start the series? 2?3?
Season 1 is the best season with which to start the series. It's easily the worst season of the show, but as DalekJim said, DS9 is a semi-serialised show and a lot of the stories and character arcs are established in the first season. Jumping ahead to season 2 or 3 will cause you to miss a lot of the groundwork that made DS9 what it is, even though a lot of season 1 is rubbish.

As for Avery Brooks, he's an acquired taste. Thankfully, I acquired that taste early in my life so I don't have much of a problem with his acting, but I understand why some people don't like it. I don't think his acting style ever changes, but what does happen is that the writers start to change the character to better suit Brooks' style, and he transitions from being a bit of a passive character into more of a badass. Past Tense in season 3 is commonly viewed as the point where the new Sisko establishes himself.

If you do decide to continue with the show, you should definitely try and finish Emissary as that episode is the beginning of the Prophets/Emissary arc that becomes a major aspect of the show in the later seasons, so it's a bad idea to skip it.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:00 PM   #4
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Re: New to DS9...

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Season 1 is the best season with which to start the series. It's easily the worst season of the show,
I'd say it's not much weaker than Season 7, really. And I wouldn't rate any S7 episode as highly as I'd rate Duel or Emissary.

As for Avery Brooks, he's an acquired taste. Thankfully, I acquired that taste early in my life so I don't have much of a problem with his acting, but I understand why some people don't like it. I don't think his acting style ever changes-
I think his acting style is hugely different once he's settled in to the role. I think in Season 1 Brooks is one of the weak links in the acting department. People hate on her but I honestly think Terry Farrell does a better job early on and gets a much better handle on her character. Sisko only really arrives for me in late S2 and even then took a while to grow on me. His monologue at the end of In The Pale Moonlight cemented him as my favourite captain though.

If you do decide to continue with the show, you should definitely try and finish Emissary as that episode is the beginning of the Prophets/Emissary arc that becomes a major aspect of the show in the later seasons, so it's a bad idea to skip it.
Not only that, but it's just a great piece of TV sci-fi in general.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:22 PM   #5
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New to DS9...

Deep Space Nine is my favorite Trek, and in my opinion, the best. My wife never really watched it and didn't care too much for it, now it is her favorite Trek series as well. It's timeless and doesn't age. Very relevant, even today.

Avery Brooks as Captain Sisko, is easily my favorite Captain, as he isn't "always by the book" so to speak, and he doesn't take any shit from anyone. Also, the actors, being series regulars or guest actors, they all do such an amazing job. Harris Yulin, in Duet for an example, is amazing in an amazing episode.

Definitely start with Season 1, as that will set everything up and develope the characters.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:30 PM   #6
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I've watch DS9 two times with my wife and its our favorite show.
Then we start on Voyager but gave it up after season 3, because we thought it was awful.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:35 PM   #7
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Voyager was a great show when I was 8. Would never be able to marathon it ever again like I could all the other shows. My Top 10 Trek Episodes list has 4 DS9 eps, 4 TOS eps and 2 TNG eps. I find the idea of any Voyager or Enterprise sneaking in very unlikely.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:37 PM   #8
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I think Season 1 is a very good season and the ideal place to start watching the show.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:45 PM   #9
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Re: New to DS9...

I think this was in the special features on the DVDs, but back in the beginning the PTB weren't sure who Sisko was at his core (Kirk was the adventurer, Picard the diplomat). It was at the start of S3 they realised he was a 'builder', since then he goes from strength to strength.

S1 and 2 do have a few stinkers in them (episode wise), but then again what series doesn't? But the worst early-DS9 has to offer still beats early-ENT and late-VOY. As been said before though, the storylines are consistant and build the characters up bit-by-bit, as well as introducing little titbits for future eps.

Even if you don't warm up to Sisko, there are still loads of great main and secondary characters to enjoy, with lots of good dynamics and evolution (Dax is a good example of this, going from being a bit rigid to becoming more relaxed as she gets used to being Joined).
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Old March 20 2013, 02:46 PM   #10
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Re: New to DS9...

Back when it was first on TV, his acting was honestly one of the reasons I was turned off. I was reminded of that when I decided to finally watch the entire series last year. But it didn't take long until I grew to appreciate Brooks' unique acting style. His acting grew on me and I actually grew to love and respect his character along with the others. In the end, to my surprise, it became my favorite of the Trek shows. TNG had been my favorite all of my life.

My advice: Do not skip any seasons or episodes. Anybody here can offer you their shortcuts, but remember it's a subjective experience.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:27 PM   #11
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Re: New to DS9...

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I've watch DS9 two times with my wife and its our favorite show.
Then we start on Voyager but gave it up after season 3, because we thought it was awful.
In fairness, season 3 of Voyager is particularly bad, and season 4 is a substantial improvement. I'm not really a fan of the show, and I'm disappointed that it wasn't more like DS9, but judging Voyager off of season 3 is like judging TNG off its first season.

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Even if you don't warm up to Sisko, there are still loads of great main and secondary characters to enjoy, with lots of good dynamics and evolution (Dax is a good example of this, going from being a bit rigid to becoming more relaxed as she gets used to being Joined).
I think this is an important point. DS9 is the most decentralised Star Trek, by which I mean that the captain figure and the senior staff don't dominate the show in the same way they do in the other series. While Sisko is the main character and the only person to appear in every episode of DS9, he doesn't define the show in the same way that Kirk, Picard, Janeway, and Archer did their shows. A typical episode of TNG or Enterprise would include the Enterprise embarking on some mission or other, so Picard or Archer would naturally play a major role in the plot or sub-plot. But on DS9, because the station wasn't always whizzing off to new adventures, there often wasn't a large role for Sisko in each episode, and the show developed a large extended cast of around 30 characters. So even if you don't like Sisko, you can still watch the show for Kira, Odo, Garak, Dukat, or whoever.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:51 PM   #12
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I've seen all of Voyager when it was on tv 10 years or so ago.
But when I saw it on dvd with my wife (who also have seen it on tv and was a big Voyager fan) we noticed that it was really bad, the stories, the continuation, some characters, personally I didn't like Janeway.
So we decided to quit watching Voyager and watch DS9 again, and now were watching SG1.
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Old March 20 2013, 05:29 PM   #13
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Lt. LaForge wrote: View Post
I've seen TNG (My personal favourite series), TOS and Enterprise (My 2nd favourite. I just love it so much). I'm in need of more Trek and Voyager just won't do.

The major gripe I have with DS9 is Sisko. Brooks' portayal just seems so over-the-top for me. He puts me off and as the main guy, pushes me away from the series. I don't think I can bear 7 seasons with this guy. I've seen about 4 episodes...I couldn't even finish the pilot.

The reason for my thread is this, I NEED new Trek. Therefore, can you niners direct me to the best season with which to start the series? 2?3?
My ex-girl friend felt the same way you did and she stuck with watching the show and now not only likes it, but calls it the best show of Trek. I hope you will stick with it because the saga of DS9 as whole is such an amazing journey. If you'd like some inspiration, I do a DS9 podcast called The Orb and maybe it will help encourage you to continue watching the show. Honestly too, I know you don't love Sisko but there are a so many character in DS9 (including him) that have incredible arcs that will leave thankful you stuck with the show!
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Old March 20 2013, 05:34 PM   #14
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Re: New to DS9...

Lt. LaForge wrote: View Post
I've seen TNG (My personal favourite series), TOS and Enterprise (My 2nd favourite. I just love it so much). I'm in need of more Trek and Voyager just won't do.

The major gripe I have with DS9 is Sisko. Brooks' portayal just seems so over-the-top for me. He puts me off and as the main guy, pushes me away from the series. I don't think I can bear 7 seasons with this guy. I've seen about 4 episodes...I couldn't even finish the pilot.

The reason for my thread is this, I NEED new Trek. Therefore, can you niners direct me to the best season with which to start the series? 2?3?
Stick with it because sisko does eventually grow on you (my fav captain) and everyone else is great as well.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:36 PM   #15
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Just start at the beginning. You may not like it at first - I didn't, but I eventually found myself getting more and more sucked into it as I got to learn who everybody was. There are some excellent tales to be told, and seeing how the characters grow and change over the seven years is great. I ended up liking it so much I had to buy the books to keep the tale going. No regrets.
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