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Old March 20 2013, 12:11 PM   #1
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College: Gender Studies (Feminism Discussion)

I've been offered a placement in college to complete a Gender Studies unit, due partly to applying myself in lectures that I was just dropping in on without being enrolled. The lecturer appears to be young and idealistic, as my social worker exclaimed that, when he approached her by email, she welcomed me in on the spot, which is apparently unusual for a person in that position to do.

Anyway, what are your opinions of the usefulness of a degree in Gender Studies, career-wise? I've been told many things, namely that it's useless, I'm gay, (two guys and thirty girls in the lectures) a misandrist, etc etc, but I've never before been in a room with so many like-minded people in my life, it's liberating.
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Old March 20 2013, 12:22 PM   #2
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Re: College: Gender Studies

I suggest you first take note of some material you will not be offered in these classes, and be very, very careful about what you're getting into.

http://owningyourshit.blogspot.co.uk...e-to-make.html

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http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism...og-of-cruelty/

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Old March 20 2013, 12:37 PM   #3
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Re: College: Gender Studies

Given the history of discussions of this nature in Miscellaneous, I predict that this shall go splendidly. We're already off to a great start.

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Old March 20 2013, 12:43 PM   #4
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I'm confused. Isn't the course Gender studies, not Feminism studies?
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Old March 20 2013, 01:01 PM   #5
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Well, that blogger does an awful lot of typing. Pretty stupid shit.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:05 PM   #6
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Re: College: Gender Studies

Just to comment on the original topic, it doesn't strike me as all that useful. There are some fields where it would help, but I suspect the number of jobs in those fields are quite limited. I would suggest looking into any job that makes use of the degree (if gender studies doesn't turn up many results, look at women's studies, which is often a similar degree). See if you would want to work at any of those jobs and start volunteering/interning at one at the same time you go for your degree.

If you don't want any of those jobs, that's fine. Intellectual development isn't a bad thing. But you should probably expect to get a job that doesn't have much to do with your education, like selling insurance.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:07 PM   #7
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I'm confused. Isn't the course Gender studies, not Feminism studies?
In practice, Pingfah, a "Gender Studies" class draws upon particular dominant ideologies that have largely controlled the discourse on gender for decades, academia being one of the fields into which this ideology has spread with relative impunity. So, indoctrination into Feminism and its distortions is what you'll find almost overwhelmingly in a Gender Studies course.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:07 PM   #8
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Well, that blogger does an awful lot of typing. Pretty stupid shit.
And why is it "pretty stupid shit", pray tell?
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Old March 20 2013, 02:10 PM   #9
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I had to look up "misandrist".



I can't imagine there are lots of jobs related to a Gender Studies degree, but I don't know that for sure. I imagine there is research and placement data out there.

If you enjoy it, then give it a try and see where it goes. You could also try to talk to other people who got that degree and see what they say.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:17 PM   #10
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The sort of thing you can expect:

http://chronicle.com/article/Persist...-Feminis/46965
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Old March 20 2013, 02:25 PM   #11
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I had to look up "misandrist".

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe a misandrist is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

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Old March 20 2013, 02:30 PM   #12
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derangednasat, so you found some interweb blogs. good for you.

that's like trying to put off an astrophysics student with a blog about moonlanding conspiracies
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Old March 20 2013, 02:38 PM   #13
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derangednasat, so you found some interweb blogs. good for you.

that's like trying to put off an astrophysics student with a blog about moonlanding conspiracies
I’ve been somewhat concerned of late (more so than usual) with the casual acceptance among members of this board of dangerous ideologies and distorted reasoning. In the past, I have often failed to take the step of providing links for my condemnations of feminist ideology and our society’s approach to the matter of gender. However, it’s become apparent that this cowardice on my part has not served anyone’s interests at all well, and frankly I’m no longer able to live with the guilt. How can a person have any self-respect when they insist on keeping silent when confronted with widespread mistruth and distortion of truth, afraid to confront that misinformation because they don’t want to “upset” anyone? And how can he possibly respect others when he fails to offer alternate perspectives, so denying those people agency and choice? Or suggesting that they’re too sensitive or close-minded to accept people holding alternate viewpoints without dismissing them - and him - out of hand? To be blunt, my cowardice in the past has been disrespectful to all of you as well as to myself, and recently I’ve come to the point where I can no longer face myself unless I do something. So, here it is. I posted those introductory links and I'm stating outright that this is representative of my take on the issue. Read them, don’t read them, agree, disagree, it doesn’t matter; what matters is that I finally took responsibility and posted them.

I imagine little actual reading, thinking or research will result from this, but then that's your responsibility. I've acknowledged mine.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:44 PM   #14
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rejection of feminism always boils down to 'you don't think women should be equals and feminism scares my insecurities'. you can link as much as you want but the opinion you're pushing is pathetic.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:45 PM   #15
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derangednasat, so you found some interweb blogs. good for you.

that's like trying to put off an astrophysics student with a blog about moonlanding conspiracies
I’ve been somewhat concerned of late (more so than usual) with the casual acceptance among members of this board of dangerous ideologies and distorted reasoning. In the past, I have often failed to take the step of providing links for my condemnations of feminist ideology and our society’s approach to the matter of gender. However, it’s become apparent that this cowardice on my part has not served anyone’s interests at all well, and frankly I’m no longer able to live with the guilt. How can a person have any self-respect when they insist on keeping silent when confronted with widespread mistruth and distortion of truth, afraid to confront that misinformation because they don’t want to “upset” anyone? And how can he possibly respect others when he fails to offer alternate perspectives, so denying those people agency and choice? Or suggesting that they’re too sensitive or close-minded to accept people holding alternate viewpoints without dismissing them - and him - out of hand? To be blunt, my cowardice in the past has been disrespectful to all of you as well as to myself, and recently I’ve come to the point where I can no longer face myself unless I do something. So, here it is. I posted those introductory links and I'm stating outright that this is representative of my take on the issue. Read them, don’t read them, agree, disagree, it doesn’t matter; what matters is that I finally took responsibility and posted them.

I imagine little actual reading, thinking or research will result from this, but then that's your responsibility. I've acknowledged mine.
I think a better approach might be to present your own misgivings on feminist ideology and gender studies courses in a way that makes it more open to debate and discussion than a bombardment of links mostly from a single diatribe ridden blog does.

I'm open to reading an article or two, but after perusing several of the links I saw the writing on the wall with the author and wasn't really interested in digesting the entire blog. How about a summary of your feelings on the matter?
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