RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,903
Posts: 5,477,275
Members: 25,051
Currently online: 667
Newest member: GrammaticalFict

TrekToday headlines

New Star Trek Funko Pop! Vinyl Figures
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

QMx Mini Phaser Ornament
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Stewart as Neo-Nazi Skinhead
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Klingon Bloodwine To Debut
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Trek Actors In War Of The Worlds Fundraiser
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Star Trek: The Next Generation Gag Reel Tease
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Shatner In Haven
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Retro Review: Covenant
By: Michelle on Nov 22

Two Official Starships Collection Previews
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Saldana: Women Issues In Hollywood
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > The Next Generation

The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 19 2013, 02:47 AM   #1
Captain McBain
Captain
 
Location: Being congratulated on the bridge of the Enterprise after making captain
"Tapestry"

Do you believe that Captain Picard truly died in "Tapestry?" Or did Q intercept him while he still had a tiny speck of life?
Captain McBain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 19 2013, 09:17 AM   #2
USS Firefly
Commander
 
USS Firefly's Avatar
 
Re: "Tapestry"

One way or the other, he couldn't come back without the help from Q
USS Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 19 2013, 10:02 AM   #3
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: "Tapestry"

Generally, one would assume that "tiny specks of life" don't allow the victim to have complex and coherent fantasies; the brain not only shuts down for good pretty easily, but also starts slacking early on in the process. So Picard's vitality probably played no role in what transpired, and Q took care of everything in the "afterlife"; Picard may have been happily alive, teetering on the edge, or completely dead during the proceedings, and we simply can't tell.

Did Q have something to do with Picard dying in the first place? Perhaps not in the sense of actively putting him in harm's way on Lenara - but more like noticing that Picard was seriously wounded in the line of duty, and stepping in, pushing Picard past the edge, and having fun with the corpse for a while. Crusher doesn't exactly act as if Picard's death would have been inevitable or his recovery a miracle... So if Picard really was dead for a while, Q may have been a necessary extra ingredient there.

There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 19 2013, 06:16 PM   #4
Captain McBain
Captain
 
Location: Being congratulated on the bridge of the Enterprise after making captain
Re: "Tapestry"

Timo wrote: View Post
There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

Timo Saloniemi
"Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things" also don't have the capital Q in the title.
Captain McBain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 19 2013, 06:22 PM   #5
Anwar
Vice Admiral
 
Anwar's Avatar
 
Location: Regina, SK, Canada
Re: "Tapestry"

It's possible that Picard was never in any real danger, and Q just felt like doing this on a whim.
Anwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 19 2013, 10:40 PM   #6
Unicron
Continuity Spackle
 
Unicron's Avatar
 
Location: The mockingjay soars
Send a message via ICQ to Unicron
Re: "Tapestry"

Or that what Picard perceived as Q was really a portion of his own psyche, the equivalent of the parts he didn't like himself and regretted. In which case Q was the ideal personification.
__________________

"If you think you're brave enough to walk the path of honor, then follow me into the dragon's den."


Knight Exemplar
Unicron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 02:12 AM   #7
Mojochi
Commodore
 
Mojochi's Avatar
 
Re: "Tapestry"

Ultimately, if it really was Q, then Q outright told Picard he was dead, I might be missing something, but for all his mischief, I never remember Q actually lying to Picard ever. He threw him into elaborate fantasies, & games, but he never told him something untrue, to my recollection

He might have died, & Q knew they'd bring him back, & used the event to stick his nose in
Mojochi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 01:30 PM   #8
Captain McBain
Captain
 
Location: Being congratulated on the bridge of the Enterprise after making captain
Re: "Tapestry"

Well, if Picard truly died, then God must've allowed Q to do this. Although, of course, Q claimed to be God, which shows Q's massive ego!
Captain McBain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 01:45 PM   #9
marksound
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Planet Carcazed
Re: "Tapestry"

I'm pretty sure that Picard was only mostly dead.

And as we all know, "there's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
marksound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 05:28 PM   #10
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: "Tapestry"

Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
doubleohfive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 06:52 PM   #11
Captain McBain
Captain
 
Location: Being congratulated on the bridge of the Enterprise after making captain
Re: "Tapestry"

doubleohfive wrote: View Post
Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.
Captain McBain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 06:53 PM   #12
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: "Tapestry"

Captain McBain wrote: View Post
doubleohfive wrote: View Post
Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.
I don't recall the exact wording, but I do remember Picard conversing with Q, and Q referring to the events of "Tapestry," only to have Picard's otherwise memorable response:

"That actually... happened?"
doubleohfive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 08:13 PM   #13
jimbotron
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
Re: "Tapestry"

Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.
jimbotron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 09:46 PM   #14
Mojochi
Commodore
 
Mojochi's Avatar
 
Re: "Tapestry"

doubleohfive wrote: View Post
I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
Agreed.
Mojochi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 20 2013, 09:57 PM   #15
Pondwater
Commodore
 
Pondwater's Avatar
 
Location: Your next door neighbor.
Re: "Tapestry"

jimbotron wrote: View Post
Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.
Same here.

Picard might have died but I think the whole thing was a "Q" trip.
Pondwater is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:04 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.