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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old March 19 2013, 02:47 AM   #1
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"Tapestry"

Do you believe that Captain Picard truly died in "Tapestry?" Or did Q intercept him while he still had a tiny speck of life?
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Old March 19 2013, 09:17 AM   #2
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One way or the other, he couldn't come back without the help from Q
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Old March 19 2013, 10:02 AM   #3
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Generally, one would assume that "tiny specks of life" don't allow the victim to have complex and coherent fantasies; the brain not only shuts down for good pretty easily, but also starts slacking early on in the process. So Picard's vitality probably played no role in what transpired, and Q took care of everything in the "afterlife"; Picard may have been happily alive, teetering on the edge, or completely dead during the proceedings, and we simply can't tell.

Did Q have something to do with Picard dying in the first place? Perhaps not in the sense of actively putting him in harm's way on Lenara - but more like noticing that Picard was seriously wounded in the line of duty, and stepping in, pushing Picard past the edge, and having fun with the corpse for a while. Crusher doesn't exactly act as if Picard's death would have been inevitable or his recovery a miracle... So if Picard really was dead for a while, Q may have been a necessary extra ingredient there.

There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

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Old March 19 2013, 06:16 PM   #4
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There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

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"Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things" also don't have the capital Q in the title.
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Old March 19 2013, 06:22 PM   #5
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It's possible that Picard was never in any real danger, and Q just felt like doing this on a whim.
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Old March 19 2013, 10:40 PM   #6
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Or that what Picard perceived as Q was really a portion of his own psyche, the equivalent of the parts he didn't like himself and regretted. In which case Q was the ideal personification.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:12 AM   #7
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Ultimately, if it really was Q, then Q outright told Picard he was dead, I might be missing something, but for all his mischief, I never remember Q actually lying to Picard ever. He threw him into elaborate fantasies, & games, but he never told him something untrue, to my recollection

He might have died, & Q knew they'd bring him back, & used the event to stick his nose in
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Old March 20 2013, 01:30 PM   #8
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Well, if Picard truly died, then God must've allowed Q to do this. Although, of course, Q claimed to be God, which shows Q's massive ego!
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Old March 20 2013, 01:45 PM   #9
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I'm pretty sure that Picard was only mostly dead.

And as we all know, "there's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
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Old March 20 2013, 05:28 PM   #10
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Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:52 PM   #11
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Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:53 PM   #12
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Captain McBain wrote: View Post
doubleohfive wrote: View Post
Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.
I don't recall the exact wording, but I do remember Picard conversing with Q, and Q referring to the events of "Tapestry," only to have Picard's otherwise memorable response:

"That actually... happened?"
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Old March 20 2013, 08:13 PM   #13
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Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.
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Old March 20 2013, 09:46 PM   #14
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doubleohfive wrote: View Post
I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.
Agreed.
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Old March 20 2013, 09:57 PM   #15
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jimbotron wrote: View Post
Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.
Same here.

Picard might have died but I think the whole thing was a "Q" trip.
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