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Old March 18 2013, 11:17 PM   #31
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Re: Genre switching sequels?

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(Who the hell knew what the fifth one was supposed to be?)
The only TOS movie to actually resemble the show!
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Old March 18 2013, 11:26 PM   #32
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(Who the hell knew what the fifth one was supposed to be?)
The only TOS movie to actually resemble the show!
Ah, but TOS tended to switch genres at will: cerebral sf ("City on the Edge of Forever"), war movie ("Balance of Terror"), pulp action-adventure ("Gamesters of Triskelion"), courtroom drama ("Court-Martial), heavy-handed political allegory ("And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), morality plays ("Conscience of the King") and even the occasional farce: "Trouble with Tribbles," "I, Mudd," "A Piece of the Action," etc.

So, arguably, all the TOS movies resemble the show, depending on which episodes you're talking about!
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Old March 18 2013, 11:29 PM   #33
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Re: Genre switching sequels?

The aborted Jaws 3, People 0 script for a third Jaws movie would have taken the franchise into a Airplane!-style comedy route, instead of the horror/suspense of other entries.
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Old March 18 2013, 11:44 PM   #34
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Ah, but TOS tended to switch genres at will: cerebral sf ("City on the Edge of Forever"), war movie ("Balance of Terror"), pulp action-adventure ("Gamesters of Triskelion"), courtroom drama ("Court-Martial), heavy-handed political allegory ("And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), morality plays ("Conscience of the King") and even the occasional farce: "Trouble with Tribbles," "I, Mudd," "A Piece of the Action," etc.

So, arguably, all the TOS movies resemble the show, depending on which episodes you're talking about!
True to an extent (Wrath of Khan is pretty similar to Balance of Terror, really) but ST V is easily the film that most resembles TOS which is why it's a shame fans hate it.

I feel the same about the much maligned Insurrection in relation to TNG.
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Old March 18 2013, 11:54 PM   #35
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Ah, but TOS tended to switch genres at will: cerebral sf ("City on the Edge of Forever"), war movie ("Balance of Terror"), pulp action-adventure ("Gamesters of Triskelion"), courtroom drama ("Court-Martial), heavy-handed political allegory ("And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), morality plays ("Conscience of the King") and even the occasional farce: "Trouble with Tribbles," "I, Mudd," "A Piece of the Action," etc.

So, arguably, all the TOS movies resemble the show, depending on which episodes you're talking about!
True to an extent (Wrath of Khan is pretty similar to Balance of Terror, really) but ST V is easily the film that most resembles TOS which is why it's a shame fans hate it.

I feel the same about the much maligned Insurrection in relation to TNG.
On the other hand, you could argue that TVH (which I love and you dislike) has much in common with fish-out-of-water time travel eps like "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth." Not to mention latter-day Trek eps like "Future's End" on VOYAGER.

(Probably not a coincidence that I've written sequels to both of those TOS eps, which were among my favorites when I was a kid.)
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Old March 19 2013, 12:03 AM   #36
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True to an extent (Wrath of Khan is pretty similar to Balance of Terror, really) but ST V is easily the film that most resembles TOS which is why it's a shame fans hate it.
I don't know why you'd think that. Maybe it resembled third-season TOS, but at its root, TOS was intended to be a naturalistic drama with believable characterization, while TFF was a broad, self-mocking action-comedy whose priorities did not include believability.
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Old March 19 2013, 12:14 AM   #37
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The Jay and Silent Bob films went from Indie comedy to 80s sex comedy to a fairly serious relationship film to a religious fantasy epic to a show business satire and back to an Indie comedy. Quite a genre range there.

The TV show Prison Break started as an escape/conspiracy serial, evolved into a Fugitive-type series, then went back to the escape/conspiracy serial and then transformed into a massive heist show in its final season.
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Old March 19 2013, 12:15 AM   #38
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True to an extent (Wrath of Khan is pretty similar to Balance of Terror, really) but ST V is easily the film that most resembles TOS which is why it's a shame fans hate it.
I don't know why you'd think that. Maybe it resembled third-season TOS, but at its root, TOS was intended to be a naturalistic drama with believable characterization, while TFF was a broad, self-mocking action-comedy whose priorities did not include believability.
Well, I strongly disagree on that one. It resembles a low-tier second season episode to me, from once the show had established its traditional Star Trek formula.
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Old March 19 2013, 01:15 AM   #39
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Ohmigod, how have we forgotten this one?

HIGHLANDER was a basically a sword-and-sorcery adventure set in modern times and ancient Scotland. The sequel, HIGHLANDER: THE QUICKENING, was this weird, futuristic, scifi thing that insanely retconned the Highlander into an alien from another planet!


Along the same lines, you have THE BEASTMASTER, which was pure sword-and-sorcery, followed by a sequel, BEASTMASTER 2: THROUGH THE PORTAL OF TIME, which had brought the hero into modern times for a more scifi-tinged adventure.

(Just to complicate matters, the first movie was very loosely based on a novel by Andre Norton, which was science fiction, not fantasy.)
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Old March 19 2013, 04:13 AM   #40
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^I was trying to forget Highlander: The Quickening. I imagine everyone who ever saw the movie has tried to forget it.
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Old March 19 2013, 04:58 AM   #41
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I only know of it as a punchline.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:55 AM   #42
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Ah, but TOS tended to switch genres at will: cerebral sf ("City on the Edge of Forever"), war movie ("Balance of Terror"), pulp action-adventure ("Gamesters of Triskelion"), courtroom drama ("Court-Martial), heavy-handed political allegory ("And Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), morality plays ("Conscience of the King") and even the occasional farce: "Trouble with Tribbles," "I, Mudd," "A Piece of the Action," etc.

So, arguably, all the TOS movies resemble the show, depending on which episodes you're talking about!
True to an extent (Wrath of Khan is pretty similar to Balance of Terror, really) but ST V is easily the film that most resembles TOS which is why it's a shame fans hate it.

I feel the same about the much maligned Insurrection in relation to TNG.
Neither will ever be in my top five of Trek films (you didn't ask but; TWOF, FC, TUC, Abrahms Trek and probably TVH orTMP depending how I'm feeling!) but both are unfairly treated, and I'd say in both cases what I like about them is that arguably the characters seem closer to how they were in their respective shows than in any other films.

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^I was trying to forget Highlander: The Quickening. I imagine everyone who ever saw the movie has tried to forget it.
Well I had forgotten it, thank you all so much for reminding me

a film so terrible that, as I recall, McCleod magically changes coats and swords in the middle of a duel!
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Old March 19 2013, 10:17 AM   #43
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Highlander 2- A film so terrible even the franchise disowned it.
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Old March 19 2013, 10:43 AM   #44
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The Evil Dead series. The first installment was a straight up horror movie...
Am I the only one who found it as funny as second? I thought it was hilarious. Though I believe the remake is much more straight horror.

Speaking of horror/sequel-switching, doesn't Hallowe'en undergo a tone shift between 2 & 3? Feels a bit more sci-fi-ey.
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Old March 19 2013, 11:03 AM   #45
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Kill Bill.

While they are both action movies, the second one builds up the plot a lot more and has a very different feel to it. Not that I don't like it, they're both good movies. But they have very different feels.
But isn't that one story in two parts? They are called "Part 1" and "Part 2," right?
Yeah, but the two movies have very different feels. That's what I meant.
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