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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
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A 5 11.90%
A- 9 21.43%
B+ 11 26.19%
B 6 14.29%
B- 4 9.52%
C+ 1 2.38%
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Old March 18 2013, 12:14 AM   #61
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I gotta say I enjoyed that movie more than I thought I would. It was much better than Burton's Alice In Wonderland. I didn't know who was who going in, so I was actually surprised that Kunis turned out to be the green witch, I thought it was going to be Weisz.

My one great complaint; they should have ended it with a flashforward to Weisz plotting revenge against the wizard and them BOOM a house falls on her
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Old March 18 2013, 01:23 AM   #62
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Dorothy kills Evandora and Glinda turns up 3 and a half seconds later to tell her "good job! Now go see the wizard who I know is a sham to make your magic wishes he does not have the power to grant."

What a cow!

What the hell was Glinda doing lurking on Evandora's periphery?

Was she about to put her on hit on the wicked witch of the east, or did she summon the twister and the house and the little girl to fall her old friend?

Glinda has always had the power to free Oz but she pauses from the act because she seems to have no interest in ruling Oz.

If she chose Dorothy and used this little girl as a missile, then she chose Oz too, and probably vetted the both of them before selecting these two as living weapons to fire at her curvy opponents from a safe distance. She didn't "see though" Oz's bullshit, she picked him because of his bullshit as a mischievous little pawn.

She's behind everything.

The army Glinda raised should have been slaughtered and eaten by flying baboons.

Glinda isn't the good witch of the North she's the Smart Witch of the North.

This is what Ming did too.

Keep the boroughs at war constantly infighting over petty contrived grievances so that they never have the singular or unified power strong enough to challenge his thrown.
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Old March 18 2013, 01:36 AM   #63
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And in the 1939 movie, she definitely set Dorothy up to have to kill The Wicked Witch. "Yea, she killed her, and look, she's wearing her shoes, and there they'll stay. Watch out, or a house may fall on you too" And... she knew all along Dorothy didn't have to do anything but, click her heels together and say "There's No Place Like Home" 3 times, but, she withheld that information until after Dorothy killed the Witch for her.
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Old March 18 2013, 01:51 AM   #64
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Fascinating interpretation
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Old March 18 2013, 02:27 AM   #65
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Water Allergy.

How closely was that secret guarded?

She routinely flew through the sky.

Where the rain lives.

She must have went decades without bathing.

Questions had to have been asked.
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Old March 18 2013, 02:45 AM   #66
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The water thing was a convenient lie. Ask Fiyero.
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Old March 18 2013, 03:00 AM   #67
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Oh, for that, I laughed my ass off.

No wonder they needed an 8 year old as a cats paw to buy that crock of shit.
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Old March 18 2013, 04:04 AM   #68
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At this point i think they should just redo Wizard of OZ as the sequel. Movie really needs to be updated anyway.
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Old March 18 2013, 04:16 AM   #69
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Half of the 1939 stuff was made up and MGM owns.

If they don't do it themslves, it'll cost anyone else a packet.

How much of the so called Public Domain is MGM gooseguarding as if it wasn't public domain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...yn-Mayer_films

They're remaking the Magnificent Seven.

Do they pay rights to Akira Kurosawa?
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Old March 18 2013, 04:24 AM   #70
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Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
Glinda isn't the good witch of the North she's the Smart Witch of the North.
So the Good Witch Of The North gets Glorfindel'd again.

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And in the 1939 movie, she definitely set Dorothy up to have to kill The Wicked Witch. "Yea, she killed her, and look, she's wearing her shoes, and there they'll stay. Watch out, or a house may fall on you too" And... she knew all along Dorothy didn't have to do anything but, click her heels together and say "There's No Place Like Home" 3 times, but, she withheld that information until after Dorothy killed the Witch for her.
I thought the Wizard had Dorothy kill the Witch because he was afraid of them? It's been a long time since I watched the movie and I recall the books better.

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At this point i think they should just redo Wizard of OZ as the sequel. Movie really needs to be updated anyway.
And I would be totally fine with that!
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Old March 18 2013, 04:29 AM   #71
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I just saw Oz the Great and Powerful a second time, today. I'm actually amazed taht the idea of remking the original is so appealing to me. I hope Disney makes lots and lots of money so this idea becomes more realistic.
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Old March 18 2013, 05:00 AM   #72
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And in the 1939 movie, she definitely set Dorothy up to have to kill The Wicked Witch. "Yea, she killed her, and look, she's wearing her shoes, and there they'll stay. Watch out, or a house may fall on you too" And... she knew all along Dorothy didn't have to do anything but, click her heels together and say "There's No Place Like Home" 3 times, but, she withheld that information until after Dorothy killed the Witch for her.
I thought the Wizard had Dorothy kill the Witch because he was afraid of them? It's been a long time since I watched the movie and I recall the books better.
Well he did, but, Glinda sent Dorothy to him, and that doesn't change the taunting of The Wicked Witch that Glinda did, ensuring The Wicked Witch would see Dorothy as her enemy (And again, Glinda could've saved all that grief by telling Dorothy how to get home, but, she deliberately withheld that information)
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Old March 18 2013, 05:23 AM   #73
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If the Wicked Witch of the West wasn't deathly allergic to water or pretending to be deathly allergic to water... What was Dorothy's plan? The Witch would have to leave the throne room for half an hour to change her frock to something that wasn't soaking?

The Nazi's could have been removed from Poland through Pillow fighting.
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Old June 16 2013, 10:29 PM   #74
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My own question is this:

As some of you already know (via, most recently, my post on a thread about how Into Darkness affects ST novels), I am openly hostile to reboots, and to taking extreme, pointless liberties with established canon. Beyond agreeing with The International Wizard of Oz Club about Maguire's stuff (and P. J. Farmer's stuff, too) being heretical, I am also openly hostile to the 1939 film (the very poster-child for "extreme, pointless liberties," like reducing the story to a dream-fantasy).

Given that, I'm encouraged by the very canonical reference to the Wizard's real name, "Oscar Diggs" (Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs; he went by his first two initials because of what the other 7 spelled out), and the pointed rejection of names Maguire came up with, but would anybody care to venture an opinion on whether I'd enjoy this film?
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Old June 16 2013, 10:51 PM   #75
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Oh, and to be canonical about the first book (for those who haven't read it):
Dorothy never comes face to face with Glinda until the penultimate chapter.
When her house lands on the Wicked Witch of the East, she is met by the unnamed Good Witch of the North. The Good Witch of the North doesn't know how to get Dorothy back home, so she turns her hat into a slate, on which words magically appear, directing her to the Emerald City. When she is captured and enslaved by the Wicked Witch of the West, the Witch, in an attempt to steal the Silver Shoes, places an iron bar across a floor Dorothy is to mop, and renders it invisible. Dorothy trips over it, loses one shoe (which the Witch promptly snatches up), and (in a fit of unthinking rage) dashes the contents of the scrub-bucket over the Witch, who collapses into a puddle over the course of about a minute.

It's only after the Wizard's balloon breaks its mooring ropes, leaving Dorothy still marooned, that the Soldier with the Green Whiskers finally suggests asking Glinda for help.
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