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Old March 17 2013, 07:00 PM   #16
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Re: Was Hartnell first?

Also they brought Rassilon back in the 'End of Time'
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Old March 17 2013, 07:10 PM   #17
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Re: Was Hartnell first?

It was certainly (producer) Hinchcliffe's intention that they were earlier Doctors, since, of course, he was one of the faces. He said, much as Andrew Cartmel would years later, that he wanted to add some more mystery to the character of the Doctor.
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Old March 17 2013, 08:11 PM   #18
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Plus if she did have any regens left would she not have done so when she died in Forest of the dead, or even worse did Tennets doctor unintentionally trap a fellow timelord in the virtual world thing before she had time to regen.
People always forget that the whole reason River took 10's place in the library was because he wouldn't regenerate from it. Whatever it was was enough to permanently kill him (and her) beyond the reach of regeneration. So whether or not she still had any regenerations left after "Let's Kill Hitler" is irrelevant - they would have done her no good anyway.

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Old March 17 2013, 08:15 PM   #19
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Also they brought Rassilon back in the 'End of Time'
It wasn't clear from The 5 Doctors what his status was. He spoke to the Doctors, so probably timelocked or something similar.

Still, it took a lot of power to keep him that way until they needed him.

But, he regenerated from Richard Matthews into Timothy Dalton at some point. Did he still have his own regenerations or did the Timelords do that?
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Old March 17 2013, 08:16 PM   #20
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Looks like some people need to pay better attention next time they read Lungbarrow.
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Old March 17 2013, 08:37 PM   #21
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As far as The Master goes with Regenerations, he Regenerated from Derek Jacobi into John Simm, so he got Regenerations from somewhere.

Professor Yana could've been a stolen body ala Tremas or Eric Roberts, but, the John Simm body was definitely a Regeneration.
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Old March 17 2013, 08:43 PM   #22
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As far as The Master goes with Regenerations, he Regenerated from Derek Jacobi into John Simm, so he got Regenerations from somewhere.

Professor Yana could've been a stolen body ala Tremas or Eric Roberts, but, the John Simm body was definitely a Regeneration.
Simm said the Time Lords resurrected him and in The Five Doctors, they offered him a new cycle of regenerations, so it's not too much of a stretch to assume that when they brought him back to life, they gave him a new cycle for the front line.
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Old March 17 2013, 08:50 PM   #23
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As far as The Master goes with Regenerations, he Regenerated from Derek Jacobi into John Simm, so he got Regenerations from somewhere.

Professor Yana could've been a stolen body ala Tremas or Eric Roberts, but, the John Simm body was definitely a Regeneration.
Simm said the Time Lords resurrected him and in The Five Doctors, they offered him a new cycle of regenerations, so it's not too much of a stretch to assume that when they brought him back to life, they gave him a new cycle for the front line.
Absolutely, that's my point, since we know he Regenerated, the Timelords must have been capable of providing Regenerations as they claimed to be able to do
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Looks like some people need to pay better attention next time they read Lungbarrow.
I've read it three times.
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Old March 18 2013, 04:33 AM   #25
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Since the faces in The Brain Of Morbius were abiguous they can viewed either way, even though it was the intent of Terrence Dicks from what I understand that the faces were the Doctor's own. However I don't know how much weight that carries since Robert Holmes rewrote the story.
FWIW, Terrance Dicks's book write-up of Morbius fudges the issue: "The debonair white-haired features of the Doctor as Sarah had first known him... Yet another Doctor appeared on teh screen - a dark haired little man with a whimsical expression. Then another face... a proud-looking old man. Sarah had a confused impression of even more faces on the screen." (I've skipped copying the bits that are simply quoting the dialogue as onscreen).
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Old March 18 2013, 02:51 PM   #26
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Did they specify the faces were supposed to be past incarnations?
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Old March 18 2013, 03:30 PM   #27
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Did they specify the faces were supposed to be past incarnations?
They accompanied Morbius asking "How far, Doctor? How long have you lived? Back to the beginning!" So yeah, they were pretty clearly meant to be past, pre-Hartnell incarnations of the Doctor. Sure, that's incompatible with how both earlier and later producers of the show approached things, but there's no doubt it's what was intended here. Continuity and Doctor Who have always had a tenuous relationship.
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Old March 19 2013, 01:17 AM   #28
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Did they specify the faces were supposed to be past incarnations?
No, they didn't.
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Did they specify the faces were supposed to be past incarnations?
No, they didn't.
Yes, they did. If you watch the story with no preconcieved notions it is obvious that the faces were meant to be pre-Hartnell Doctors. And no, it doesn't fit neatly with previous or later continuity, but it is what it is.
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Old March 19 2013, 03:44 AM   #30
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Did they specify the faces were supposed to be past incarnations?
No, they didn't.
Yes, they did. If you watch the story with no preconcieved notions it is obvious that the faces were meant to be pre-Hartnell Doctors. And no, it doesn't fit neatly with previous or later continuity, but it is what it is.
Until I learned of the intent I always thought those were Morbius' faces since right after they appeared Morbius lost. I never watched it wtih any preconieved notions. The scene is ambiguous.
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