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Old March 17 2013, 03:55 PM   #16
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

Yeah, like that would be impossible to crack.
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Old March 17 2013, 04:09 PM   #17
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

^ Maybe not impossible, but extremely difficult.

Even if the thief rips off somebody's hand or something like that, the device could be configured to only respond to DNA from a live person (like detecting for body heat or a pulse).
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Old April 24 2013, 03:58 PM   #18
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

To quote DULMUR: "How do you know that? For all we know, we could be living in an alternate timeline right now."
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Old April 24 2013, 04:05 PM   #19
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

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Not possible - Odo was never shown to be a complex piece of machinery like a padd.

He could have been the reflective surface of the padd, though...
It seems to me Odo quite regularly morphed into the shape of his own combadge.
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Old April 24 2013, 05:47 PM   #20
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

It's more of a mystery to me that Denning's men didn't find some sort of hand weapon on Quark's ship.
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Old April 25 2013, 03:51 AM   #21
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Not possible - Odo was never shown to be a complex piece of machinery like a padd.

He could have been the reflective surface of the padd, though...
It seems to me Odo quite regularly morphed into the shape of his own combadge.
Or perhaps Odo just carried a real Bajoran combadge with him at all times. It'd make sense, wouldn't it?
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Old April 25 2013, 03:54 AM   #22
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Re: How come NOG didn't wreck the timeline in LGM?

Until you watch an episode where that combadge along with the rest of him shapeshifts into whatever he's turning into.
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Old April 25 2013, 05:24 AM   #23
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I think Odo was destroying materials recovered by those GI men before he met up with the others.
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Old April 26 2013, 03:03 AM   #24
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Until you watch an episode where that combadge along with the rest of him shapeshifts into whatever he's turning into.
If Odo has to shapeshift into something else, like a German shepherd as he does in LGM, he probably just covers up the combadge within his own 'body'. I highly doubt that Odo can actually mimic a working combadge.
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Old April 26 2013, 04:27 PM   #25
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Until you watch an episode where that combadge along with the rest of him shapeshifts into whatever he's turning into.
If Odo has to shapeshift into something else, like a German shepherd as he does in LGM, he probably just covers up the combadge within his own 'body'. I highly doubt that Odo can actually mimic a working combadge.
Possible, but we've seen him revert to his natural state any number of times. In his bucket, linking with other Founders, in Lwaxana's lap and so forth... no comm badge. Heck when Garak was torturing him the comm badge disappears completely when Odo lost his shapeshifting ability only to reappear when he gets it back. And no, it was there before they started.

Heck this also brings up the whole universal translator thing too. It's suggested in DS9 they're chips installed in your brain. So how's that work for Odo and the Female changeling?
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Old April 26 2013, 05:09 PM   #26
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Heck this also brings up the whole universal translator thing too. It's suggested in DS9 they're chips installed in your brain.
Only for Ferengi. Most officers, such as Starfleet, have the UTs in their communicators.

So how's that work for Odo and the Female changeling?
They can probably speak all languages natively.
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Old April 26 2013, 06:07 PM   #27
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Odo I could see learning a number of languages professionally. But the female founder? Why would she reduce herself to learning the petty solids languages? That's what grunts like Weyoun are for.
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Old April 26 2013, 07:10 PM   #28
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Odo hiding his commbadge is no mystery. After all, Odo is regularly capable of hiding something like 90% of himself from this universe! When he's a tiny little mouse, all the rest of him must go to some strange place where even a tricorder can't find it. So, if he carries a commbadge, there shouldn't be anything to prevent that from being taken to the same place...

For all we know, Odo really doesn't exist in this universe at all - he merely extends some inert part of his body to our realm, a part that can perfectly take the form of a rock (and therefore cease to be a creature capable of thought, let alone shapeshifting), while the "real" Odo, the thinking part that can project these weird forms in our realm, remains in subspace or whatever.

Certainly Odo isn't a lump of really malleable goo, despite appearances. Such a lump could never become a mouse or a shattered drinking glass or a mist or a wall of flame.

The interesting question here is, how much stuff can Odo take to otherspace with him? Could he extract a hero character from a tight spot by wrapping him up in this otherness like he wraps his own extra mass or, say, the commbadge?

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Old April 26 2013, 09:02 PM   #29
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I think I read somewhere that all changelings had the ability to shift mass into subspace or some other dimension. It's similar to how cartoons have access to pockets in the fabric of 2D, allowing them to store hammers and trick gadgets so they may reach to their back and pull them out whenever they need to beat their enemy. Maybe Odo had a combadge all along, it's just compartmentalized into subspace.
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Old April 26 2013, 10:49 PM   #30
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Interesting theory. it's quite possible that shapeshifters are not really 3 dimensional creatures. it's possible WE are not three dimensional creatures either, it's just that we never evolved sensory organs to perceive it while changelings depend on it to manipulate their molecular structure.
That way their underlying particles still stay entangled even when they change into gaseous forms or energy.

Wasn't Laas even able to travel at warp speed under his own power?
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