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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old March 16 2013, 07:17 PM   #286
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Re: Levar Burton aka Geordi La Forge criticizes Star Trek 2009

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Rubbish. You won't be followed around the forum and crudely heckled for liking the movie. It certainly seems to appeal to a certain type of fan sadly.

It is... aggressive. Adversarial.


I hate it here!


Then why do you exist here?




Seriously, the person going into the forum for discussing the Trek movies from ST09 onwards with the sole intent of bashing them is not being 'followed around' when other people in the forum respond to their posts.
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Old March 16 2013, 07:25 PM   #287
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You seriously don't see how The Cage or The Motion Picture resemble literary science-fiction more than Abrams Trek?
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I've read quite a bit of SF and no I don't.

Rubbish. You won't be followed around the forum and crudely heckled for liking the movie. It certainly seems to appeal to a certain type of fan sadly.
You're in a forum about Star Trek, specifically one about the newer films. People are going to comment on what you say about them. No one is following you, they are just posting in the same threads as you.
Why would anyone "heckle" him for not liking Abrams's Trek movie? He loved it:

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Loved it, the core 3 were perfectly recast.
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I was really not expecting the film to do this well, brilliant. Trek is back and bigger than ever!
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Old March 16 2013, 07:44 PM   #288
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Which brings up another point. Not only have we all probably watched a shitload of good and bad Trek, as you pointed out, BillJ, but we've watched a lot more Trek than anyone probably intended to be watched. The TV episodes, even movies, were not written to be pieces that would be watched over and over and picked apart ten, twenty, or even fifty years later. (Fifty years. Yikes!) Not even Shakespeare was writing thinking his works would be scrutinized over four hundred years after they were written. He was entertaining people in the moment.

Very few popular culture TV shows and movies stand the test of time or heavy and repeated scrutiny. Considering they're all shot with finite budgets, deadlines to meet, egos to massage, profitability in mind, and other things that can affect "artistic quality," it's a wonder they can stand up to even one viewing.
I'd say a lot of great shows age perfectly fine. I'm in my early 20s and watching The Avengers, Blake's 7 and I, Claudius at the moment. All of which feel very fresh.

Of course, there are shows like TNG which feel kinda dated early on. TOS and DS9 have aged perfectly in comparison.
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Old March 16 2013, 08:03 PM   #289
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TOS has so not aged perfectly lol. Which is nothing against TOS at all, audiences just weren't that versed in the language of visual narrative, so you get very clunky spell-it-all-out exposition and so on (Kirk's retrospective log entry at the start of The Enemy Within being one truly glaring example). And incredibly intrusive scoring.
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Old March 16 2013, 08:04 PM   #290
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I have a dream that one day Star Trek in film will be a science-fiction series about exploring the unknown or the human condition.
Seriously, though - when has Star Trek in film ever really been about those things?

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That's the approach I prefer. Stories driven by ideas and not action. I'm in the minority but I refuse to be spat on for it.
Your opinions might not be getting the reception you'd prefer, but you personally are not being spat on for anything. When you insist upon defiantly spitting into the wind, then that's all on you, as the saying goes.


Taunting, however, as you do here:
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But I'm sure the Abrams acolytes will be here to tell me that Abrams Trek made more money so it's better. Completely missing the point, as per usual.
... and here:
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Rubbish. You won't be followed around the forum and crudely heckled for liking the movie. It certainly seems to appeal to a certain type of fan sadly.
... and here:
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The more hardcore an Abrams fan is, the more abhorrent their behaviour seems to devolve to. I'd repeat what another poster said about those with Abrams avatars but I'd probably get a bollocking.

It's always the danger of having a cult of personality though really.
... is something from which you've been asked before to refrain, so here's one last reminder to knock that off.
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Old March 16 2013, 08:22 PM   #291
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Good luck finding a woman who's actually green. I hear it's not easy.
It may not be easy, but I don't think Abrams even tried to find one.
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Old March 16 2013, 08:48 PM   #292
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Good luck finding a woman who's actually green. I hear it's not easy.
It may not be easy, but I don't think Abrams even tried to find one.
True fact: Rachel Nichols is naturally green and uses make up in most roles to hide this.
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Old March 16 2013, 08:58 PM   #293
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^^You'll say anything to defend Abrams!

Ironically, I'll say anything to diss him, but that's not the point.
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Old March 16 2013, 09:02 PM   #294
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Look, if you hate green people that's your problem. Just, don't try and hide it behind Abrams-bashing.
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Old March 16 2013, 09:09 PM   #295
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No! Abrams, the childhood rapist must answer for his crimes!

I mean, I don't hate green people. In fact, I pointed out how offensive it was Abrams depicted all his green women as sluts.
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Old March 16 2013, 09:16 PM   #296
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Nothing wrong with a healthy libido.
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Old March 16 2013, 10:49 PM   #297
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I have a dream that one day Star Trek in film will be a science-fiction series about exploring the unknown or the human condition.
Seriously, though - when has Star Trek in film ever really been about those things?
It's never really been terribly good at that on television, either - it's just a fairly smart adventure series with pretensions.
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Old March 16 2013, 11:07 PM   #298
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No! Abrams, the childhood rapist must answer for his crimes!

I mean, I don't hate green people. In fact, I pointed out how offensive it was Abrams depicted all his green women as sluts.
Right. Some of your best friends are green. Typical.
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Old March 16 2013, 11:07 PM   #299
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Personally, I wouldn't be happy if I truly believed Abrams' movie literally caused Star Trek's 'classic' timeline to vanish. Yes, as some of you have pointed out, it is fiction, but still, it would annoy me. However, I'm pretty sure that the timeline is simply an alternate reality, such as the various alternate realities/universes seen in the TNG episode, "Parallels."
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Old March 17 2013, 05:25 AM   #300
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Good luck finding a woman who's actually green. I hear it's not easy.
It may not be easy, but I don't think Abrams even tried to find one.
True fact: Rachel Nichols is naturally green and uses make up in most roles to hide this.
NOT TRUE.

Everyone knows all green women are named Kelly...
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