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Old March 16 2013, 12:19 AM   #91
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Re: Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?







This is country music. Organic instruments. An adult subject matter, sometimes with a message. People who can sing. Good lyrics. Voice in the lyrics. We need to raise our standards of good music. And I am sorry if it took awhile for it to load, but if you do listen to these songs, I promise you'll understand my complaints. 21 million dollars for teenage love. You can get that anywhere. The awards are ridiculous.
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Old March 16 2013, 12:53 AM   #92
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Re: Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?

I'm sorry, but... "If I Die Young," really? I mean, I like The Band Perry just fine - they're from an hour away (and Kenny Chesney from even closer) and are fun to listen to, but... they're no less fluffy than Taylor overall. The Nashville Sound is good for what it is, but except for a little more twang and a less electric sound some of that is just as poppy as Swift's stuff. Where's the alcoholism, the economic misery, the death and blood, the drugs, the violence?

Or, to give some better examples, we'll start with Taylor herself and a better Brad Paisley example.










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Old March 16 2013, 01:09 AM   #93
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I'd rather listen to Taylor than Rucker, Rascal Flatts or any song where Jason Aldean "raps". The thing is there's a place for everything, I've heard a couple of catchy songs by Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and the like. I know it's frustrating sometimes when "real" musicians have trouble making it but I don't begrudge these things.
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Old March 16 2013, 01:13 AM   #94
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^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song. Example:



Country music doesn't have to be a downer. If that's your taste, fine. Happy doesn't equate "without merit." Not everything I posted was traditional, but I did post some traditional stuff. I also posted some rock, some bluegrass. I also don't understand--Gunpowder and Lead? Two Black Cadillacs? Who said there's no death?

I would argue with "The Band Perry" being pop. This song, the arrangement and instrument choices on "All Your Life," etc. Popular does not equal without merit, either. Something doesn't have to be obscure to be considered country. And the reason that I posted it was really about the lyrics and the fact there's a different character in the song. It's told from the position of being young without having to sound like every other pop song.
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Old March 16 2013, 01:43 AM   #95
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^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song.
Not to get too argumentative but most of your examples were written by other people as well if not originally performed by other people. Most country music is.
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Old March 16 2013, 02:07 AM   #96
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^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song.
Not to get too argumentative but most of your examples were written by other people as well if not originally performed by other people. Most country music is.
I don't mean to argue with you either, but that wasn't the point. The point is that she has been lauded for her songwriting, given awards for it. The ONE song that sounds like something worthwhile is written and performed with people she doesn't usually collaborate with, and it has a distinctive style that belongs to another artist she collaborated with. It is different than just about everything else she has done--the lyrics, vocals, etc. And I would argue that it's not a strong vocal performance, either. Unless I am a better singer in the shower than I thought. Still, my examples aren't exactly playing to the rafters, most country music doesn't (with the exception of an artist like Carrie Underwood, who writes most of her songs).

It is not a fair assessment of her style of music. I would argue that people who perform a song and don't write are not given credit for doing the writing on a song. She is given credit, and, therefore, it is fair game to compare it to other compositions of hers.
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Old March 16 2013, 02:10 AM   #97
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Ah, got you, I guess it would help if I gave shit about awards.
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Old March 16 2013, 02:14 AM   #98
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As a fan I am sick of the bashing.
Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

Also, welcome to the Internet.
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Old March 16 2013, 05:04 AM   #99
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^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song.
I know. But whatever role she played in its creation, she's still a part of the song and it's easily imo her best work. We'll have to agree to disagree on her vocals there though. I think it's excellent.

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Happy doesn't equate "without merit."

I would argue with "The Band Perry" being pop. This song, the arrangement and instrument choices on "All Your Life," etc. Popular does not equal without merit, either. Something doesn't have to be obscure to be considered country. And the reason that I posted it was really about the lyrics and the fact there's a different character in the song. It's told from the position of being young without having to sound like every other pop song.
I agree! Happy and being popular don't equate without merit! Hence why I don't get your denouncing Swift's stuff; I mean, aside from making fun of her for being young? Also fair point about the Underwood and Lambert songs. You were going on about the "purity" of their instruments though and how adult their themes were, so I figured I'd go further with that.

And a melodramatic "You don't appreciate me now, but you will when I'm gone... and it'd be awesome to have a boy before I die" sounds like a pretty common theme for a young person.
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Old March 16 2013, 03:15 PM   #100
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Re: Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?

Captain Nebula wrote: View Post
Samaritan wrote: View Post
As a fan I am sick of the bashing.
Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

Also, welcome to the Internet.


Sometimes I forget!



ETA: The internet being what it is, I don't get hating on something Vs enjoying something, there are plenty of things I don't like but I'd rather spend the time and energy on stuff I like/love/enjoy.

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Old March 16 2013, 03:24 PM   #101
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Old March 16 2013, 03:43 PM   #102
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Samaritan wrote: View Post
Captain Nebula wrote: View Post
Samaritan wrote: View Post
As a fan I am sick of the bashing.
Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

Also, welcome to the Internet.


Sometimes I forget!



ETA: The internet being what it is, I don't get hating on something Vs enjoying something, there are plenty of things I don't like but I'd rather spend the time and energy on stuff I like/love/enjoy.
I put up ten songs that I like! I classied up the thread with real music!
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Old March 16 2013, 03:57 PM   #103
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Re: Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?

Samaritan wrote: View Post
Captain Nebula wrote: View Post
Samaritan wrote: View Post
As a fan I am sick of the bashing.
Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

Also, welcome to the Internet.


Sometimes I forget!



ETA: The internet being what it is, I don't get hating on something Vs enjoying something, there are plenty of things I don't like but I'd rather spend the time and energy on stuff I like/love/enjoy.
The perception that she outs her past love interests in a mean spirited and publicly humiliating way is the core of her problem. Once you've established a reason for people to dislike you, they will pour on the additional vituperation like gravy be it logical or not. Throw in anonymity and the position of relative safety that the internet provides, you then see people vent their frustration on one another. I guess one can call it a twisted form of therapy.
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Old March 16 2013, 04:17 PM   #104
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Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?

HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
Samaritan wrote: View Post
Captain Nebula wrote: View Post

Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

Also, welcome to the Internet.


Sometimes I forget!



ETA: The internet being what it is, I don't get hating on something Vs enjoying something, there are plenty of things I don't like but I'd rather spend the time and energy on stuff I like/love/enjoy.
I put up ten songs that I like! I classied up the thread with real music!
Ugh! You like those artists and that is fine, I like a lot of other stuff other than Taylor swift, it isn't about that. My point is I don't get why people go out their way to bash her. I forgot that is a thing on the internet. I would personally focus on things I enjoy and I do.

10 Taylor Songs I LUV!

1. If This Was A Movie
2. Sparks Fly
3. Enchanted
4. Love Story
5. Superman
6. Today Was A Fairytale
7. Eyes Open
8. I Almost Do
9. State Of Grace
T. Never Grow Up

All quite different from "boyfriend bashing".

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Old March 16 2013, 04:20 PM   #105
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^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song.
I know. But whatever role she played in its creation, she's still a part of the song and it's easily imo her best work. We'll have to agree to disagree on her vocals there though. I think it's excellent.

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Happy doesn't equate "without merit."

I would argue with "The Band Perry" being pop. This song, the arrangement and instrument choices on "All Your Life," etc. Popular does not equal without merit, either. Something doesn't have to be obscure to be considered country. And the reason that I posted it was really about the lyrics and the fact there's a different character in the song. It's told from the position of being young without having to sound like every other pop song.
I agree! Happy and being popular don't equate without merit! Hence why I don't get your denouncing Swift's stuff; I mean, aside from making fun of her for being young? Also fair point about the Underwood and Lambert songs. You were going on about the "purity" of their instruments though and how adult their themes were, so I figured I'd go further with that.

And a melodramatic "You don't appreciate me now, but you will when I'm gone... and it'd be awesome to have a boy before I die" sounds like a pretty common theme for a young person.
I think there's some misconceptions about my argument. Because something is happy and fun, doesn't mean that it is ALWAYS profound, either. It depends on the song. And I have some Taylor Swift on my Spotify playlists. "Our Song" which is brilliant for a 14-year-old songwriter, and "Ours" which is a gay anthem as a far as I am concerned (and how I'm using it).

My complaint with her is that she doesn't sound good to me. My complaint is that she has three songs (I'm Happy to be young, my boyfriend broke up with me, I found love) and keeps writing them over and over again. My complaint is that she has won awards and become the top-selling Country artist the past two years. My problem with that is that artists who reach that plateau, whether songwriters themselves or not, do music that has more substance. By substance, I mean a deeper subject matter than the one she portrays. More emotive performances, a more mature subject matter, some relevance to them outside of their immediate concerns.

Her foray into pop doesn't bother me as long as she gets out of country music. When I hear "22," I'm afraid the CMAs will give her "Single of the Year" with that Justin Bieber-like song.

To put in a sentence, she hasn't grown up as a lyricist, a vocalist, or a performer. She still sounds like a teenager who has never been in love, who has never been truly heart-broken, who has never had to do without anything she didn't want in this life. I don't know if she has experienced those things, but that is what her music sounds like. There's no soul, there's no expression of the inner workings of the human condition. Depravity, privation, loss, pain, passion, love--it's all missing.

Take "22," for instance. Where is the money coming from to dress like a hipster? To stay out and take a break from life? What is she taking a break from? If she can't write about love and loss in a way that doesn't make me feel like she's still a teenager, then hire someone who can.

I expect her to be a better artist than that.
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