RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,554
Posts: 5,401,531
Members: 24,860
Currently online: 552
Newest member: Jacob4546

TrekToday headlines

Mystery Mini Vinyl Figure Display Box
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

The Red Shirt Diaries Episode Five
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

Shatner In Trek 3? Well Maybe
By: T'Bonz on Sep 28

Retro Review: Shadows and Symbols
By: Michelle on Sep 27

Meyer: Revitalizing Star Trek
By: T'Bonz on Sep 26

Trek Costumes To Be Auctioned
By: T'Bonz on Sep 25

Hulu Snaps up Abrams-Produced Drama
By: T'Bonz on Sep 25

Abrams To Receive Award
By: T'Bonz on Sep 24

Trek 3 Casting Rumor Reactions
By: T'Bonz on Sep 24

Trek Comics Sneak Peek
By: T'Bonz on Sep 23


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies I-X

Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 16 2013, 05:52 AM   #16
Argus Skyhawk
Commodore
 
Argus Skyhawk's Avatar
 
Location: Argus Skyhawk
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Gaith wrote: View Post
Anyone know the name of the first American sentenced to death row who was exonerated by DNA fingerprinting?

Kirk Noble Bloodsworth. His blood proved his (noble) worth. Not kidding.

Reality itself can seem highly contrived at times.
I've always felt similarly about the fact that a legendarily famous writer was named William Wordsworth. There is also the fact that the court case that legalized interracial marriage in all states was Loving vs Virginia. Cause, ya know, Virginia was against interracial loving.

Anyway, as for the main topic of this thread, that scene did not strike me as trying to make any statement about suicide or euthanasia. It was just providing a reasonable source of personal angst for McCoy.
__________________
I thought I had found everlasting joy and happiness, but when I clicked the link, it just took me to a Rick Astley video.
Argus Skyhawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2013, 06:12 AM   #17
T'Girl
Vice Admiral
 
T'Girl's Avatar
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
Weeks from a cure? He didn't hear about the research, and save his father?
Hear about the research? Wouldn't McCoy have been participating in the research, if not leading it himself?

I do wonder if the event (assisted suicide) happened at all. Or was it something Sybok placed in McCoy's mind. How much easier to remove someone's pain, when you yourself placed there in the first place.

T'Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2013, 07:02 AM   #18
A beaker full of death
Vice Admiral
 
A beaker full of death's Avatar
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

The Keeper wrote: View Post
Kelly's passion sold the scene for me. I hadn't seen that look on his face since CotEoF, it gave me an homage tingle I had not felt for some time.
It was really great to see him actually act again.
This movie is woefully underrated because of few incredibly minor nits.
__________________
"shall not be infringed" is naturally open to infringements of all kinds, because shut up and think of the children.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...#ixzz2ImW0V3GV
A beaker full of death is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2013, 10:32 AM   #19
Tiberius
Commodore
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
Tiberius wrote: View Post
Assuming that medical research in the 23rd century will work the same way as it does today, wouldn't word of this cure be around long before it becomes available?
"Word of a cure" still has to come sometime. Like one day there's no cure, then there is a possibility.
But it wouldn't be word of a cure. Let's say Bones had no knowledge at all, and then a few weeks later he heard. He certainly wouldn't have heard of a cure, for the simple reason that they couldn't have developed one so quickly. he would have heard, "We've discovered a way of disabling one of the genes in the virus that causes the disease" or something like that. It would have taken a few years at least to conduct the research and develop it into a treatment that could have been administered to people.

And if what came a little while after his dad's death was an actual cure, Bones would have known at the time, "They're working on a project that is very promising." And therefore the news of a cure wouldn't have come as a surprise at all.
Tiberius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2013, 03:31 PM   #20
Gaith
Rear Admiral
 
Gaith's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Tiberius wrote: View Post
It would have taken a few years at least to conduct the research and develop it into a treatment that could have been administered to people.
An expert on 23rd century medicine, you are?
Gaith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 16 2013, 03:42 PM   #21
Peach Wookiee
Cuddly Mod of Doom
 
Peach Wookiee's Avatar
 
Location: Peach Wookiee
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

^The speed of a cure wouldn't be constrained by our 21st century standard of how things are done.
Peach Wookiee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2013, 01:36 AM   #22
Tiberius
Commodore
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Gaith wrote: View Post
Tiberius wrote: View Post
It would have taken a few years at least to conduct the research and develop it into a treatment that could have been administered to people.
An expert on 23rd century medicine, you are?
No, but I find it very hard to believe that they had a disease that was incurable and then in the space of three months they had a medicine that they were distributing to patients across the Federation.

They still need to run tests, y'know. Then analyze the data they get from the trials.
Tiberius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2013, 03:04 AM   #23
Elder Knight
Captain
 
Location: SE USA
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

I suppose that when any cure becomes available, it's just weeks too late for some victim.
Elder Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 17 2013, 12:42 PM   #24
Lance
Commodore
 
Lance's Avatar
 
Location: The Enterprise's Restroom
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Bones was just talking literally. "A cure... they found the God-damn cure... they'd lost it years ago, it had fallen down the back of a sofa at Starfleet Medical."
Lance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 12:30 AM   #25
jayrath
Fleet Captain
 
Location: West Hollywood, Calif., USA
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

T'Girl wrote: View Post
HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
Weeks from a cure? He didn't hear about the research, and save his father?
Hear about the research? Wouldn't McCoy have been participating in the research, if not leading it himself?
For all we know, young McCoy was offically a "doctor" but still a resident. How many med students do you know who do hospital rounds and also conduct research on a life-threatening disease -- let alone lead such efforts? Good lord, they get little enough sleep as it is.
jayrath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 05:05 AM   #26
Tiberius
Commodore
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

jayrath wrote: View Post
T'Girl wrote: View Post
HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
Weeks from a cure? He didn't hear about the research, and save his father?
Hear about the research? Wouldn't McCoy have been participating in the research, if not leading it himself?
For all we know, young McCoy was offically a "doctor" but still a resident. How many med students do you know who do hospital rounds and also conduct research on a life-threatening disease -- let alone lead such efforts? Good lord, they get little enough sleep as it is.
It's still likely that he would have heard something in the grapevine, especially considering that he had a close family member suffering the disease.

And anyway, if he was that young, he wouldn't have been his father's doctor. So I think it likely that whatever doctor was treating McCoy Sr would have been aware of what was going on.
Tiberius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 09:23 AM   #27
Rainbow Dash
Osmotic Knowledge
 
Rainbow Dash's Avatar
 
Location: J. Allen's House
Send a message via ICQ to Rainbow Dash Send a message via AIM to Rainbow Dash Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Rainbow Dash Send a message via Yahoo to Rainbow Dash
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

Some of you guys are trying to find a technological answer to an emotional problem. The scene isn't specifically about the cure they found later ('weeks' is never mentioned). That they found the cure not too much later (again, 'weeks' is never mentioned) is only meant to be the final nail in the coffin to McCoy's burning guilt about his father.

He could have said months, he could have said years, but he didn't, because the length of time is only secondary to the actual emotional cost that they did find a cure, and McCoy's survivor's guilt, doubly compounded by the fact that he was not only a doctor, but his son.

So you have a bright, young doctor, and his ailing parent. Doing everything he can to keep his father alive, desperately, and his father is so tired, so exhausted from all of the pain, from all of the life extending treatments that aren't working, he reaches out to his son, who is his doctor, the only one who can release him from the pain, the one he trusts to do this, and his son is conflicted, yet because he loves his father, because he doesn't want to see him in pain, and because there has been no word of a cure, he agrees.

Then, some time later, a cure is found.

That is the crux of the whole scene. How long it takes doesn't matter so much beyond the fact that it wasn't "too long after", which is nicely vague enough to make the impact of what happened, while not tying down too many details.

In short, you're asking the wrong question.
__________________
"I'm Star Swirl the Bearded! Father of the amniomorphic spell?
Did you even read that book I gave you about obscure unicorn history?" - Twilight Sparkle
-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Brony Kingdom
Rainbow Dash is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 12:19 PM   #28
solariabsg25
Captain
 
solariabsg25's Avatar
 
Location: Bristol, UK
View solariabsg25's Twitter Profile
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

It's not really contrived, as sudden medical breakthroughs can happen. In Trek it could be even more common, as some flora on that newly explored world of Omicron IV just happens to have medical properties unfound elsewhere.

Even if it was, contrivance is common in movies. What, in Star Wars, over the entire surface of Tatooine, the lifepod happened to land within spitting distance of Luke's farm?
__________________
"A perfect organism, unclouded by remorse, or human illusions of morality." - Ash, Alien
solariabsg25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 03:19 PM   #29
Trek Survivor
Captain
 
Location: UK
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

WesleysDisciple wrote: View Post
curious... dont they have suspended animation, couldnt his dad have been put in stasis?

Stasis is almost never used in Star trek, simply to keep a patient alive, until a cure can be found.
Well, you're essentially saying "no one has to die, we just keep 'em on ice".

Didn't they do that in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone"? I think most people would accept when their time has come, even if the "fad"/possibility of cryogenic freezing was available.
__________________
Want an awesome read? Check out "Showdown: A Darker Evil Rising" on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Showdown-Darke...er+evil+rising
Trek Survivor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 18 2013, 05:51 PM   #30
golddragon71
Lieutenant
 
Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive

I was thinking about this...
What if the cure wasn't developed but actually, just "Found"?
Assuming Leonard's Father died of Xeno-Poly-Xythemia (the disease McCoy himself had i "For the World is hollow and I have Touched the Sky") it might have been a short while prior to his discovering he had the same thing on the Enterprise. In McCoy's mind, it wouldn't have been too long after (in hindsight) and up until that point, it would have had no known cure.
Therefore, at the time he did it! it would have been to preserve his father's dignity and spare him the pain but later McCoy would have realized that he could have been saved had they kept his father on life support.
__________________
"Captain, there are some things that transcend even the discipline of the Service."
golddragon71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.