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Old March 15 2013, 01:56 AM   #91
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And I have to say I'm kinda surprised at the recent change from Watson being Sherlock's sober companion to now being a "junior detective." Clearly it was in the plans all along, but it does seem like a pretty big shift in the show's concept.
Well, they've been setting it up for quite a while, so it's hardly out of nowhere. We learned some time ago that the companion gig was supposed to be temporary. We had a whole arc of Holmes being impressed by her potential as a detective and encouraging her to embrace it. We had 2-3 weeks of people telling Joan she seemed happier with the detective stuff than with the companion stuff, and Joan resisting it. And once M. Holmes terminated her employment and she stuck around anyway, it was clear that that would be a temporary situation and something would have to change.

So not so much a recent big shift as the culmination of a process that's been building up for months.
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Old March 15 2013, 12:23 PM   #92
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I liked a lot of last night's episode, but overall I didn't like it.

I really liked seeing Joan be a detective. I thought her case was interesting.

Holmes' case was also interesting.

Where I think last night's episode failed, however, was in that it didn't play fair with the audience. I had a hunch that the two cases would be connected -- because that's the simplest narrative solution -- but I kept hoping that they would simply be two unrelated cases because it wasn't giving us any reason to link them beyond the video. And then, it didn't give us any clue as to how the solution would work; Joan wasn't trying to find details on the wife's first disappearance, she was sure the wife was actually dead so she wasn't trying to find the wife anymore but instead prove that the husband had murdered her, it wasn't until late that we discovered that the husband resembled the subway pusher at all, etc. In short, there were more rabbits being pulled out of the hat than usual last night.

I wanted the cases to be separate. Alas.
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Old March 15 2013, 02:44 PM   #93
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Well, that was fun. Watson's first case! And it was a pretty clever mystery -- I didn't figure it out until they started explaining it in the interrogation room. My working theory for why the husband killed the woman on the subway was that Callie left him for her the first time. I thought they couldn't find a connection between him and the victim because the connection was to Callie instead, that she'd had an affair with the woman and he was taking revenge. But the actual explanation was very clever.

I particularly liked how in the interrogation room, when Watson was telling the guy what had really happened, she was basically imitating Holmes. For a moment there, Liu came close to capturing Miller's delivery. ...Although come to think of it, I'd rather not see that become the norm. Watson should be distinct from Holmes, a complement to him, not an echo. So it was fun to see from both a character standpoint and a performance standpoint, but I don't want to see it become a regular thing.
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Old March 15 2013, 03:07 PM   #94
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My working theory for why the husband killed the woman on the subway was that Callie left him for her the first time. I thought they couldn't find a connection between him and the victim because the connection was to Callie instead, that she'd had an affair with the woman and he was taking revenge.
Now, that would have been really interesting.

I thought the connection, though I couldn't figure out how it would have worked, was that Callie and the subway woman were actually the same person.
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But then wouldn't they have just identified Callie as the subway woman? Or if subway woman was leading a double life as Callie, wouldn't Callie's husband have come forward and said "Oh, wait, but she's my wife"?

I actually thought that since they were the same "type" — white female, dark hair, roughly mid-to-late-30s, similar build — would have played into it, but apparently not.
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Old March 15 2013, 04:14 PM   #96
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Yeah, they were a broadly similar type, but clearly different women -- the subway victim was a lot more beautiful, IMHO. I'm generally not that great with faces, but I had no trouble seeing they were different people.

Besides, the plot depended on Callie not disappearing until some days after the subway incident. If she'd disappeared at the same time, that would've instantly thrown suspicion on her breakup video, because it wouldn't have fit the timeline. So they had to be two different people.
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Old March 15 2013, 05:49 PM   #97
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I actually went with the obvious approach. Callie was leaving him because she found out about the murder. Thinking maybe he was a serial killer and she had become wary of why he was gone at odd times. Followed him, witnessed the latest killing, then to cover her knowledge of it, she tries to pull her usual disappearing act.
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Old March 15 2013, 06:17 PM   #98
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I actually went with the obvious approach. Callie was leaving him because she found out about the murder.
Yeah, I did wonder why none of the characters thought of that as a possible connection between the murder and Callie leaving him a few days later. That was actually my first thought. But it raised the question of why she wouldn't have gone to the police, why she'd leave him for committing murder but still help cover up what he did. Maybe that's why they didn't consider it.
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I was thinking it might be a quid pro quo situation. I kill your wife and you kill mine.
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Old March 16 2013, 03:35 PM   #100
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I was thinking it might be a quid pro quo situation. I kill your wife and you kill mine.
Strangers on a Subway Train?
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Old March 16 2013, 08:29 PM   #101
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* Nice to see Liu coming out of her shell more. And both their wardrobes are fascinating.
* Like Christopher, loved the scene in Bell's apt where he asked her to 'complete' him . Very nicely done. And nice to see Bell get a bit more character development.
* Hope Holmes Snr remains a mystery and off-screen
* As others mentioned, Rees seems a wasted guest spot, so also like idea he could be Mycroft.
* Re: BC as Moriarty, another fun one could be Jude Law, as he and Miller also have history . Or Sean Pertwee? Wonder if any actors have played both Holmes or Watson and Moriarty? (too lazy to google). Also like the Hugh Laurie suggestion someone made. Would be nice to see him play 'bad'.

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Old March 16 2013, 11:33 PM   #102
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Did the Producers plan on daddy becoming Vera Peterson?
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Old March 17 2013, 10:21 AM   #103
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Plan? Who knows? Kinda worked for Maris.

And...what's Mr Carlyle doing? Would like to see his Moriarty.
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Old March 17 2013, 11:16 AM   #104
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Maris was an intentional duplication.

In an attempt to disguise their indenticality one was ineffably thin and polarily the other was not inconsiderably girthy.

Hell, it was the same gaggle of producers even.
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Old March 27 2013, 09:49 PM   #105
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CBS has picked up Elementary for a second season.
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