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Old March 13 2013, 03:17 AM   #121
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Re: 38 minutes of the film in Brasil - SPOILERS!

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Harrison is Robert April who found out a way to reverse-age himself.
You know what? I think you are maybe right. I bet those containers seen in the trailer don't contain the Botany Bay's augments that has been widely speculated but rather they contain April's crew.
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Old March 13 2013, 05:15 AM   #122
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Killing Pike won't enhance the plot one bit.

It would be a pointless death just because the writers want some...thing dramatic and sad and to push the hero into action.
If it's something dramatic and sad that pushed the hero into action, then it wouldn't be pointless.
It shouldn't have to take the death of any character to motivate Kirk just because he gets one knock-down/demotion, we see him sitting in a bar drunk needing another pep talk at least that is the image shown in the newest trailer. He's not a teenager anymore.
I didn't say it should. I was just going by your scenario and saying that if his death "pushed the hero into action," as you say, it would by its very nature not be pointless then.

The character Pike is one of my favourites so understandably I don't want him killed.

It's like the writers saying let's just kill off a secondary character..why? It's more of a bold move to kill one of the main ones but that won't happen.
I understand completely not wanting him to die. Bruce Greenwood is a great actor who brings a lot of gravitas to the film, and Pike is a great character and mentor to Kirk. He will be missed.

But doesn't that kind of throw your next comment out the window? While Pike is "secondary" in terms of not being one of the main TOS crew, he was arguably as important or even a more important part of the first film than some of the reimagined TOS crew were, and looks to be an integral part of the first part of this second film as well. So, he's not some cheap throwaway secondary character whose death we won't care about. His death will have meaning to both the characters (especially Kirk) and the audience.
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Old March 13 2013, 06:23 AM   #123
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Why kill of Pike? Stick him in the beep-O-matic. Hell, have "Harrison" offer to cure him, deal with the devil.
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Old March 13 2013, 11:22 AM   #124
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I bet those containers don´t contain augments, but something like volunteers (or guinea pig) of a secret scientific experiment. I remembered Resident Evil.
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Old March 13 2013, 11:36 PM   #125
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Re: 38 minutes of the film in Brasil - SPOILERS!

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Harrison is Robert April who found out a way to reverse-age himself.
One would think in the 23rd century, there would be facial recognition algorithms that could be run when trying to identify someone.

Pike: "This is the person we saw near the library in London."
Kirk: "Who is it?"
Pike: "The best match Picasa ... er... computer gives is Capt Robert April, but 20 years younger than he should now be."
Kirk: "Huh. Didn't he disappear 20 years ago? Maybe he found some kind of 'fountain of youth.' What was his beef? And where'd his old Enterprise go? Anyway, let's take him out!"

Or even more to the point:

Pike: "This is the person we saw near the library in London. The genetic sniffers identified exhaled DNA as being that of Capt. Robert April, so we don't understand why he'd change his appearance if we had this level of technology to fingerprint people..."
Apply this thinking to 99% of Trek and you see holes in everything :P Trek is still sticking to its 60s blueprints atm and none of this stuff was even dreamed of back then
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Old March 15 2013, 11:09 PM   #126
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If it's something dramatic and sad that pushed the hero into action, then it wouldn't be pointless.
It shouldn't have to take the death of any character to motivate Kirk just because he gets one knock-down/demotion, we see him sitting in a bar drunk needing another pep talk at least that is the image shown in the newest trailer. He's not a teenager anymore.
I didn't say it should. I was just going by your scenario and saying that if his death "pushed the hero into action," as you say, it would by its very nature not be pointless then.

The character Pike is one of my favourites so understandably I don't want him killed.

It's like the writers saying let's just kill off a secondary character..why? It's more of a bold move to kill one of the main ones but that won't happen.
I understand completely not wanting him to die. Bruce Greenwood is a great actor who brings a lot of gravitas to the film, and Pike is a great character and mentor to Kirk. He will be missed.

But doesn't that kind of throw your next comment out the window? While Pike is "secondary" in terms of not being one of the main TOS crew, he was arguably as important or even a more important part of the first film than some of the reimagined TOS crew were, and looks to be an integral part of the first part of this second film as well. So, he's not some cheap throwaway secondary character whose death we won't care about. His death will have meaning to both the characters (especially Kirk) and the audience.
Well Nero was arguably one the the main characters but then Star trek always throws away a villian.

I'm not sure Pike is regarded as "main" in the first film. I'm guessing the producers think he's "old"(!) and therefore expendable.
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