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Old March 12 2013, 07:16 PM   #16
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Re: NCC-1701 Shipyard Back Online

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^It's the crashing saucer slicing through a building.
Correction: it's the crashing waaayyy oversized saucer. Looks more like the ships from Independence Day than a Constitution-class saucer. Once again, the fx department weren't that careful in setting the scale.
Is it a Constitution-class ship? It may be another ship. Just because it has saucer shape, it doesn’t mean it is constitution class. I didn´t think an oversized saucer. Starships with more than 200 crew are huge.
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Old March 12 2013, 07:20 PM   #17
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^It's the crashing saucer slicing through a building.
Correction: it's the crashing waaayyy oversized saucer. Looks more like the ships from Independence Day than a Constitution-class saucer. Once again, the fx department weren't that careful in setting the scale.
A) What would you say is the diameter of the saucer visible in the picture in question?

B) What would you say is the diameter of a "Constitution-class" saucer?

C) What does "Constitution-class" mean in the context of your statement above?
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Old March 12 2013, 07:27 PM   #18
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^It's the crashing saucer slicing through a building.
Correction: it's the crashing waaayyy oversized saucer. Looks more like the ships from Independence Day than a Constitution-class saucer. Once again, the fx department weren't that careful in setting the scale.
A) What would you say is the diameter of the saucer visible in the picture in question?

B) What would you say is the diameter of a "Constitution-class" saucer?

C) What does "Constitution-class" mean in the context of your statement above?
Approximately 417 feet I believe.
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Old March 12 2013, 08:15 PM   #19
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How big would Paxton's Orpheus lunar mining colony ship have been? A few city blocks wide perhaps.

And yes, I know that's not who Weller's playing in this...

But hey, maybe he had a daughter who got married and the Paxton line became Marcus instead!
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Old March 12 2013, 08:31 PM   #20
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Correction: it's the crashing waaayyy oversized saucer. Looks more like the ships from Independence Day than a Constitution-class saucer. Once again, the fx department weren't that careful in setting the scale.
I seriously doubt the FX department would make a mistake like that. If anything, Abrams (a big fan of camera trickery) would have instructed them to oversize it to make the scene look better.
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A) What would you say is the diameter of the saucer visible in the picture in question?

B) What would you say is the diameter of a "Constitution-class" saucer?

C) What does "Constitution-class" mean in the context of your statement above?
Approximately 417 feet I believe.
Not in this timeline. The TOS Enterprise is 947 feet long, this new version is at least 2380 feet, maybe bigger.
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Old March 12 2013, 08:47 PM   #21
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Correction: it's the crashing waaayyy oversized saucer. Looks more like the ships from Independence Day than a Constitution-class saucer. Once again, the fx department weren't that careful in setting the scale.
A) What would you say is the diameter of the saucer visible in the picture in question?

B) What would you say is the diameter of a "Constitution-class" saucer?

C) What does "Constitution-class" mean in the context of your statement above?
Approximately 417 feet I believe.
Hence question C.

If WarpFactorZ is calling the saucer in the picture "waaayyy oversized" because it's larger than the 417-foot/127-meter saucer on the TOS Enterprise, then we're looking at another "I won't accept that starships are that big" argument, and I'm just not very interested in flogging that one around the (oversized) block again. If he instead wishes to argue that the pictured saucer is too large when compared to a 300-meter saucer, then we might have a topic for discussion (but it would probably want a thread of its own, and might be better-suited to the Trek Tech forum.)
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Old March 12 2013, 09:28 PM   #22
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The Newton Class ship docked behind the Enterprise has a registry NCC-07-0 (grabs Wormhole proof helmet and ducks for cover).
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Old March 14 2013, 05:45 PM   #23
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I felt like checking out the saucer/building size. Here's a comparison of some Trek ships and some large buidings. The scene from the trailers of the saucer slicing through the building looks fine to me:

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Old March 14 2013, 06:29 PM   #24
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For whatever it's worth, the plastic model of the Abramsprise coming out from Revell in May is stated at 1:500 scale (and they worked from the film CG model). At 588 mm long, that dials down the Abramsprise to roughly the same size as the TOS/TMP Enterprises. Still big enough to take a good bite out of some medium-size buildings, if that is the Abramsprise in that shot.
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Old March 14 2013, 07:19 PM   #25
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The Newton Class ship docked behind the Enterprise has a registry NCC-07-0 (grabs Wormhole proof helmet and ducks for cover).
It's NCC-0718
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Old March 14 2013, 09:15 PM   #26
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Hmm, must be the resizing on my screen, the 1 isn't showing and the last digit looks like a zero, well that makes more sense, thanks.
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Old March 15 2013, 11:57 AM   #27
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The Newton Class ship docked behind the Enterprise has a registry NCC-07-0 (grabs Wormhole proof helmet and ducks for cover).
It's NCC-0718
I watched it again and you're right. The 1 just about becomes visible for a few frames.

It's a shame. I was looking forward to the walls of furious text ranting about it on www.ex-astris-scientia.org.
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Old March 15 2013, 03:05 PM   #28
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Leaving aside my issues with such a ginormous ground built Abramsverse-prise - Grrrr!
...it doesn't really make any sense to me, the U.S.S. Kelvin being that large.

There's the NX-01 through the Prime Universe NCC-1701, with that ship an unusual blip in constructions which by comparison, only got slightly larger inbetween.
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Old March 15 2013, 03:19 PM   #29
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The Newton Class ship docked behind the Enterprise has a registry NCC-07-0 (grabs Wormhole proof helmet and ducks for cover).
It's NCC-0718
I watched it again and you're right. The 1 just about becomes visible for a few frames.

It's a shame. I was looking forward to the walls of furious text ranting about it on www.ex-astris-scientia.org.
Oh don't worry, they'll always find something to bitch and gripe about, the more vocal anti-abrams ones around here are still throwing out idiotic rants about the last movie 4 years on.
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Old March 15 2013, 06:42 PM   #30
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^Very true!
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Leaving aside my issues with such a ginormous ground built Abramsverse-prise - Grrrr!
...it doesn't really make any sense to me, the U.S.S. Kelvin being that large.

There's the NX-01 through the Prime Universe NCC-1701, with that ship an unusual blip in constructions which by comparison, only got slightly larger inbetween.
It could be that those Kelvin-derived Newton, Armstrong, Mayflower and whatever else classes of ships seen in the last movie were all in service in the Prime timeline, concurrent to the TOS Enterprise, yet simply went unseen until now. They did it with the Remans, why not ships too?

The original series Enterprise could have been an equivalent ship to the 24th century's USS Voyager - a more advanced but smaller ship compared to the enourmous Enterprise-D's of the day.
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