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Old March 9 2013, 03:38 AM   #16
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Re: The jello in Allegiance

Still kind of a freaky & potentially sinister though
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Old March 9 2013, 04:17 AM   #17
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Re: The jello in Allegiance

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Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment?
That would be a bit at odds with their later statements though.

"We were merely curious. We meant no harm."
"We did not, after all, injure you in any way."
Granted. But that's what they said when they were trapped by Picard. They were freaking out and wanted to be set free... they would've said anything! Should we simply assume that those statements were 100% truthful, considering their deceptive behavior on display throughout the episode? As Picard says just after that, "[Unlawful] Imprisonment is an immoral assault, regardless how you choose to justify it." Or words to that effect. What else were they capable of?

Now to be fair, the teleplay makes absolutely no hint of this kind of sinister origin for the food at all. This is all it says:

Picard stops at the feeder, pulls out a "hockey puck"
-- it's a dark, translucent disk of solid but malleable
material, sort of a gigantic gumdrop. Not very
appealing. Picard pulls off a small hunk, examines it.

So, it's really just bs fanwank on my part.
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Old March 9 2013, 05:39 AM   #18
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My only issue is that I don't remember there being any water. That would be the 1st necessity
My only issue is that the Mizarian went for several days in that cell without any toilet facilities. Where did he go?
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Old March 9 2013, 07:13 AM   #19
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Do Mizarians excrete daily?
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Old March 9 2013, 08:01 AM   #20
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Did "Allegiance" remind anyone else of that episode of Twilight Zone with a group of people trapped in a giant box?
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Old March 9 2013, 11:49 AM   #21
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Did "Allegiance" remind anyone else of that episode of Twilight Zone with a group of people trapped in a giant box?
I'm sure you mean "Five Characters in Search of an Exit". One of my favorite episodes, and yes, "Allegiance" is somewhat similar of that one. They aren't really trapped in a box, though.
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Old March 9 2013, 04:40 PM   #22
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Not many people know this (though probably many here I'd bet), but gelatin is made from collagen, which comes from animal bones and skin. Looking it up on Google/Wikipedia, it's derived from pork skins, pork, horses, and cattle bones, or split cattle hides. Its composition is 84%-90% protein, 1%-2% mineral salts and 8%-15% water. Gelatin contains no fat and has about 95 calories per ounce. An ounce of gelatin satisfies about 2% of your daily needs for iron and calcium. By itself, it's essentially odorless and tasteless.

Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment?
As a vegetarian, I'm always reading the ingredients and decline anything having gelatin. I'm always surprised when others are ignorant of the origins of it.

Fortunately, I'm now able to enjoy some things that used to contain gelatin. I think Skittles are one delicacy that used to contain it, but now use a fruit gel instead. I don't know if the change is due to vegetarians' complaints, or a more prosaic economic or supply factor.
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Old March 9 2013, 04:57 PM   #23
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POISON!!!!

Just had to say it. Basically the only line i remember from the episode anyway. :-)

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Old March 9 2013, 06:45 PM   #24
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I wonder how they'd know how many days they'd been in there. The Mizarian seemed pretty certain he'd been in there 12 days
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Old March 9 2013, 10:07 PM   #25
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Perhaps Mizarians, or at least the one trapped with Picard et al., are good at keeping track of time internally.

Or, the Mizarian had experienced twelve sleep cycles, and was approximating them as days. Who knows how long a Mizarian day is? Or what the circadian rhythm of a Mizarian is?
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Old March 11 2013, 11:43 AM   #26
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I'd just like to go on the record and say I love how this is its own topic.
Me too. I hadn't thought about that episode in ages, and now I'm actually curious as to what was used to make the stuff.

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Not many people know this (though probably many here I'd bet), but gelatin is made from collagen, which comes from animal bones and skin. Looking it up on Google/Wikipedia, it's derived from pork skins, pork, horses, and cattle bones, or split cattle hides. Its composition is 84%-90% protein, 1%-2% mineral salts and 8%-15% water. Gelatin contains no fat and has about 95 calories per ounce. An ounce of gelatin satisfies about 2% of your daily needs for iron and calcium. By itself, it's essentially odorless and tasteless.

Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment?
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For that matter, those slices were pinkish red too. Gelled puree of prisoner.
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Old March 11 2013, 11:09 PM   #27
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While we're talking about food/drink, anyone else ever get annoyed that it's painfully obvious that the actors take a drink in 10-forward but don't actually drink anything? I know it's on purpose but most of the time the drink is at the same height in the glass as it was before the "sip!"
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Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell!
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Old March 15 2013, 03:27 AM   #29
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I would assume it's some nutrient-rich tasteless compound.
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