"A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrived?

WesleysDisciple · March 14 2013, 06:28 PM

Anyone else feel the fact that a cure was found a FEW WEEKS LATTER for the disease McCoy's father had, seems like its something that exists simply to remove moral ambiguity from the situation... yes yes yes "We dont KNOW" It acknowledges he meant well yes, but still I almost gagged at the Anti suicide stance of that scene

To be Fair... I myself am Pro suicide, and hopelessly romanticize the jappanese practice of Seppuku, or Shinju."

bbailey861 · March 14 2013, 06:49 PM

No, I don't find it contrived. I find it the reason that Bones was so filled with guilt. It worked well for me.

Dukhat · March 14 2013, 06:49 PM

Yes, of course it was contrived. However, it was probably also one of the best scenes in that godawful movie, so it gets a pass AFAIC.

LOKAI of CHERON · March 14 2013, 07:35 PM

bbailey861 wrote:

No, I don't find it contrived. I find it the reason that Bones was so filled with guilt. It worked well for me.

Agreed. This segment, along with the camping scenes, is one of the highlights in the movie.

sonak · March 14 2013, 07:47 PM

was it "a few weeks later?" I thought it was just "not long after." "A few weeks" would be pretty contrived, I guess, but it's still a good character moment that would provide a reason for some guilt. This scene has always struck me as belonging in a different movie it's so out of place, though.

dub · March 14 2013, 09:04 PM

If I gagged every time a political statement was forced into Star Trek, my teeth would fall out from all of the acid! But I really doubt they were looking to make a political statement. They simply wanted to offer up something painful from McCoy's past. Pro-suicide or anti-suicide, if that happened to me I would be pretty tore up over it. That particular scene was quite gripping to me and I thought DeForest Kelley did an outstanding job with it. (Much better, by the way, than the Spock scene that followed -- how could that be one of Spock's painful memories? He was just born?

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Christopher · March 14 2013, 09:11 PM

sonak wrote:

was it "a few weeks later?" I thought it was just "not long after."

You're right. Here's the transcript. He said "Not long after, they found a cure." Presumably that meant within his father's life expectancy, but that could've been months or maybe a couple of years. Nobody said anything about weeks.

Kirok_Blue · March 15 2013, 04:47 AM

I think it fits into the overall motif of the scene; tragic irony. Also, it fits into my personal view of the whole movie: a campfire story full of exaggerations and coincidences, told more for high drama and to emphasize the themes of the story. In this case, the notions of family and brotherhood. As far as I am concerned, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy never left the camp site. I consider the whole movie a tall tale told by Kirk, to explain his beliefs about how he was never alone and how important his Enterprise family is to him. How else can you explain a 75-deck starship that traversed to the center of the galaxy in a matter of hours? Comes across more like a Trek version of Baron Munchausen. Just my two cents worth...

Tiberius · March 15 2013, 07:14 AM

Assuming that medical research in the 23rd century will work the same way as it does today, wouldn't word of this cure be around long before it becomes available? After all, there's the clinical trials to be done, approval needed and all of that. Maybe the lay person wouldn't be aware of this, but a DOCTOR who certainly has a vested interest in the treatment of this disease would certainly know about any possible treatments being developed.

Therin of Andor · March 15 2013, 09:35 AM

Tiberius wrote:

Assuming that medical research in the 23rd century will work the same way as it does today, wouldn't word of this cure be around long before it becomes available?

"Word of a cure" still has to come sometime. Like one day there's no cure, then there is a possibility.

Gaith · March 15 2013, 02:46 PM

Anyone know the name of the first American sentenced to death row who was exonerated by DNA fingerprinting?

Kirk Noble Bloodsworth. His blood proved his (noble) worth. Not kidding.

Reality itself can seem highly contrived at times.

Tosk · March 15 2013, 04:21 PM

I don't find it contrived. If there wasn't a cure within a certain amount of time, Bones wouldn't be torn up about it, thus making it a non-story.

"I helped my father to die and that was that. They never found a cure anyway, so I'm cool with my decision."

HaventGotALife · March 15 2013, 09:37 PM

Weeks from a cure? He didn't hear about the research, and save his father?

WesleysDisciple · March 15 2013, 10:01 PM

curious... dont they have suspended animation, couldnt his dad have been put in stasis?

Stasis is almost never used in Star trek, simply to keep a patient alive, until a cure can be found.

The Keeper · March 15 2013, 10:09 PM

Kelly's passion sold the scene for me. I hadn't seen that look on his face since CotEoF, it gave me an homage tingle I had not felt for some time.

March 14 2013, 06:28 PM	#1
WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander	"A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrived? Anyone else feel the fact that a cure was found a FEW WEEKS LATTER for the disease McCoy's father had, seems like its something that exists simply to remove moral ambiguity from the situation... yes yes yes "We dont KNOW" It acknowledges he meant well yes, but still I almost gagged at the Anti suicide stance of that scene To be Fair... I myself am Pro suicide, and hopelessly romanticize the jappanese practice of Seppuku, or Shinju."

March 14 2013, 06:49 PM	#2
bbailey861 Vice Admiral Location: Kingston, ON	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive No, I don't find it contrived. I find it the reason that Bones was so filled with guilt. It worked well for me.

March 14 2013, 06:49 PM	#3
Dukhat Commodore Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive Yes, of course it was contrived. However, it was probably also one of the best scenes in that godawful movie, so it gets a pass AFAIC. __________________ I never make mistrakes.

March 14 2013, 07:47 PM	#5
sonak Rear Admiral Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive was it "a few weeks later?" I thought it was just "not long after." "A few weeks" would be pretty contrived, I guess, but it's still a good character moment that would provide a reason for some guilt. This scene has always struck me as belonging in a different movie it's so out of place, though.

March 14 2013, 09:04 PM	#6
dub Lieutenant Commander Location: Location? What is this?	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive If I gagged every time a political statement was forced into Star Trek, my teeth would fall out from all of the acid! But I really doubt they were looking to make a political statement. They simply wanted to offer up something painful from McCoy's past. Pro-suicide or anti-suicide, if that happened to me I would be pretty tore up over it. That particular scene was quite gripping to me and I thought DeForest Kelley did an outstanding job with it. (Much better, by the way, than the Spock scene that followed -- how could that be one of Spock's painful memories? He was just born? )

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March 15 2013, 04:47 AM	#8
Kirok_Blue Ensign Location: Texas	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive I think it fits into the overall motif of the scene; tragic irony. Also, it fits into my personal view of the whole movie: a campfire story full of exaggerations and coincidences, told more for high drama and to emphasize the themes of the story. In this case, the notions of family and brotherhood. As far as I am concerned, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy never left the camp site. I consider the whole movie a tall tale told by Kirk, to explain his beliefs about how he was never alone and how important his Enterprise family is to him. How else can you explain a 75-deck starship that traversed to the center of the galaxy in a matter of hours? Comes across more like a Trek version of Baron Munchausen. Just my two cents worth...

March 15 2013, 07:14 AM	#9
Tiberius Commodore	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive Assuming that medical research in the 23rd century will work the same way as it does today, wouldn't word of this cure be around long before it becomes available? After all, there's the clinical trials to be done, approval needed and all of that. Maybe the lay person wouldn't be aware of this, but a DOCTOR who certainly has a vested interest in the treatment of this disease would certainly know about any possible treatments being developed. __________________ The Best of Both Worlds eBook \| Every episode of Trek in viewing order Tiberius

March 15 2013, 02:46 PM	#11
Gaith Rear Admiral Location: Starfleet Command, The City that Knows How	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive Anyone know the name of the first American sentenced to death row who was exonerated by DNA fingerprinting? Kirk Noble Bloodsworth. His blood proved his (noble) worth. Not kidding. Reality itself can seem highly contrived at times.

March 15 2013, 04:21 PM	#12
Tosk Rear Admiral Location: On the run.	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive I don't find it contrived. If there wasn't a cure within a certain amount of time, Bones wouldn't be torn up about it, thus making it a non-story. "I helped my father to die and that was that. They never found a cure anyway, so I'm cool with my decision."

March 15 2013, 09:37 PM	#13
HaventGotALife Captain Location: Michigan	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive Weeks from a cure? He didn't hear about the research, and save his father? __________________ To me, Star Trek's stories are about the depth and complexity of human relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

March 15 2013, 10:01 PM	#14
WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive curious... dont they have suspended animation, couldnt his dad have been put in stasis? Stasis is almost never used in Star trek, simply to keep a patient alive, until a cure can be found.

March 15 2013, 10:09 PM	#15
The Keeper Commodore Location: Where reality ends and illusion begins	Re: "A Few weeks latter they found a cure, a god damned cure!"Contrive Kelly's passion sold the scene for me. I hadn't seen that look on his face since CotEoF, it gave me an homage tingle I had not felt for some time.