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Old March 11 2013, 05:47 AM   #76
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

Finally got around to scaling this puppy. I get a ship length of 52'-4-3/8" or 15.960725m.
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Old March 12 2013, 07:28 PM   #77
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I'm into fixtures now. I'm working on the main control panel for the forward compartment as well as some of the instruments on the wall.

Looking ahead I'm thinking of skipping the Rocketship Galileo and going right to one I've been thinking about for a very long time...



It's going to be a challenge to reconcile some of the shapes and lines into something coherent that really looks like the onscreen craft yet also works in 3D. There are also a fair number of interior shots regarding the cockpit and quite a few of them are generally consistent with each other.

To my eyes this a very advanced and sophisticated starfaring spaceplane that can go FTL across interstellar distances. Yet it has no visible/recognizable means of propulsion. Certainly it sports no obvious rocket or thrust exhausts indicating some form of reaction drive. It's shape is somewhat reminiscent of the Northrop HL-10 lifting body research craft seen in the 1960s to early '70s so it has some measure of aerodynamics. Without obvious landing jets or even landing gear I suspect it has a form of antigrav system. The fuselage and wings might also be comprised of advanced "memory alloy" that can change or modify its form to an extent depending upon flight conditions.

Should be fun. Hey, if I can bring a TAS scoutship into 3D then just maybe I can do this.
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Old March 12 2013, 08:08 PM   #78
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I'm into fixtures now. I'm working on the main control panel for the forward compartment as well as some of the instruments on the wall.

Looking ahead I'm thinking of skipping the Rocketship Galileo and going right to one I've been thinking about for a very long time...



It's going to be a challenge to reconcile some of the shapes and lines into something coherent that really looks like the onscreen craft yet also works in 3D. There are also a fair number of interior shots regarding the cockpit and quite a few of them are generally consistent with each other.

To my eyes this a very advanced and sophisticated starfaring spaceplane that can go FTL across interstellar distances. Yet it has no visible/recognizable means of propulsion. Certainly it sports no obvious rocket or thrust exhausts indicating some form of reaction drive. It's shape is somewhat reminiscent of the Northrop HL-10 lifting body research craft seen in the 1960s to early '70s so it has some measure of aerodynamics. Without obvious landing jets or even landing gear I suspect it has a form of antigrav system. The fuselage and wings might also be comprised of advanced "memory alloy" that can change or modify its form to an extent depending upon flight conditions.

Should be fun. Hey, if I can bring a TAS scoutship into 3D then just maybe I can do this.
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Old March 12 2013, 10:01 PM   #79
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Are you going to try doing Rocket Robin Hood also
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Old March 12 2013, 10:36 PM   #80
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Are you going to try doing Rocket Robin Hood also
I'm not sure I remember that one. I'll have to look it up. I remember the show from ages ago, but I don't remember anything about the ships in it.

I've already started doing sketches for the Phantom Cruiser.
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Old March 13 2013, 04:56 PM   #81
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Looking ahead I'm thinking of skipping the Rocketship Galileo and going right to one I've been thinking about for a very long time...



It's going to be a challenge to reconcile some of the shapes and lines into something coherent that really looks like the onscreen craft yet also works in 3D. There are also a fair number of interior shots regarding the cockpit and quite a few of them are generally consistent with each other.
Studying these images and sketching last night I can see contradictions. The most familiar view of the ship (as seen from above) leads one to think that the wings flow back from the nose and flare out yet fixed above the main body. But seen from below that's not how the ship is drawn. Seen from below we don't see a discernible fuselage separate from the wings. As drawn it looks like the wings are much thicker and merged with the protruding forward section. The ship is more manta ray like than bird or airplane like. I don't have a problem with that, but it makes reconciling the top view a challenge. Granted annimated ships are stylized and simplified, but a simple extra line easily added to the bottom view would have made a big difference and yet it's not there. It could be that what we're seeing from above is more of a painting scheme rather than hard lines or shapes. Also the bottom and top surfaces each appear to have a subtle crest or ridge to them as evidenced by a continuous line from bow to stern.
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Old March 13 2013, 08:32 PM   #82
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What you see here are the basis for my main control panel for Flash Gordon's ship. I'm basing this on the panel seen in the first serial because I think it's the most interesting one seen in those serials.

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Old March 14 2013, 05:44 PM   #83
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It would be nice to see some of these as production kits. I have no experience with resin kits, but from little I've seen I didn't really care for them. They don't seem to have the same crisp detailing and shapes as styrene kits. Of course maybe the pics I've seen are of mediocre resin kits and/or mediocre builds.

I can understand why many of these subjects mightn't make it to kit form because many of them are obscure. So that leaves it in the hands of those willing to produce garage kits (more expensive?) or scrathbuilds. Now to that hand decent drawings could easily be made available for those willing to try either one.

I also have to add that it could be challenging to make truly accurate replicas of these ships. The Flash Gordon ship is a good example. All that's left to go by are the serials to try to get the shapes and details right. In terms of interiors it changed drastically during the run of the serials so which one do you follow? And in many cases (like my control panel) details and true shapes are obscured and not easily discernible. For myself I'm left to "best guess" it and approximate. Then what about colours? It's b&w so other than skin tone anything else is pretty much up for grabs.

And there are inconsistencies though sometimes not large. In the first episode during take-off only Dr. Zarkov has a seat while Flash and Dale have to stand up and use hand-holds(!!!). Yet later while in flight two extra seats for Flash and Dale have magically appeared. So which is it? I'm opting for the three seats on my model.

I admit much of the interior on my 3D model is adaptation and even outright invention on my part. Although the screencaps give me an idea of what the interior looks like in the central part of the ship I don't think we saw beyond that rearward. So from what little I can see I extrapolated and "filled in the blanks." I'm also left to contradict what is shown onscreen because of blatant inconsistencies. The overhead bulkhead of the forward compartment in no way matches the exterior with those large overhead windows so I'm left to defer to one or the other. Since the exterior never changed (in that respect) throughout the whole time it appeared I went with that and reconciled the interior to be consistent. Of course the filmmakers simplified the interior in some ways to facilitate construction, but I don't have that concern. I'm treating the design as an integrated whole in similar fashion as I did with my TOS shuttlecraft plans.


Still a WIP, but here is my emerging rocketship control panel for Flash Gordon's ship. The colours are my guess since I'm working from b&w stills. The shape of the pedestal probably isn't exact either, but I can't get a really good look at it in the screen caps.

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Old March 14 2013, 07:19 PM   #84
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

In the past I would have agreed upon the lack of detail in resin castings.

However, when I received "replacement" parts for my AMT "Mr. Spock" assembly kit earlier this week, I stared dumbfounded! The replacement phaser gripped within a right hand had all sorts of recessed detail one can not achieve with rigid metallic molds. Silicone molds were used with such exacting precision that the 1/12th scale phaser had a needle thin beam emitter. (Of course, the resin has to be of a decent quality to produce such tiny shapes.)

The forerunner of JT-Graphics explained the originals were "modeled" in ZBrush and then "3D printed". Those pieces served as the masters around which the silicone molds were cured. Those, in turn have been casting the final resin pieces.

Yes, I've seen many a garage kit that looked rather crude and amorphous, but 3D printing has really changed the game.

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Old March 14 2013, 07:27 PM   #85
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^^ Sweet! I didn't know that. Thanks.
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Old March 14 2013, 07:42 PM   #86
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If I had a recent camera, I'd snap an image of the phaser-in-hand piece to back up my claims. Just keep in mind the initial tools and materials have to be top notch to achieve those final results. It may be out of reach for a one man shop. I really don't know.

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Old March 15 2013, 02:21 AM   #87
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Okay, here is a little something and then I'm calling it a day. Main control panel and three seats for our adventurers. This part is done and next I'm moving onto wall fixtures...tomorrow.

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Nice! Gotta love the huge dials that was a staple of science fiction of that era.
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Old March 15 2013, 06:53 AM   #89
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Nice! Gotta love the huge dials that was a staple of science fiction of that era.
Thanks. There is actually supposed to be more detail added to the faces of those dials, but considering I have to shrink this down to fit into the ship model it's pointless to add detail no one will be able to make out. In fact I put more detail into that console then I originally planned. I basically got carried away with it.

The revised version of the ship's main control panel (seen in the second serial) was of simpler shape (basically a cylinder with an angled cut to it) but it didn't look as detailed and I also found it less visually interesting.
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Old March 16 2013, 03:13 AM   #90
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I too have been on something of a Flash Gordon kick lately.

Right now my focus has been the Filmation adaptation, both the "made for TV" movie and the Saturday morning "serial" it spawned (but oddly enough aired some 2 years before the original movie cut).

However, a couple of years ago, I was in Best Buy and saw a 3 disk set that contained the first three serials (not episodes, but full serials) that starred Buster Crabbe in the titular role. So far I've only seen the first serial. The box set got "buried" under some junk and you know how it goes, "out of sight, out of mind."

Yesterday, I finally got to see the tele-movie cut of the Filmation material for the first time in, well, dang, 31 years! By the end of the week I should receive the box set containing all the Saturday morning episodes. (I won't bother watching the second season that introduced a cute mascot character in the form of a pink dragon hatchling. "Thank you, executive meddling!")

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LOL! I'm another that's been on a Flash Gordon kick lately as well! I've had the cartoon on DVD for a couple of years but never got around to watching. Picked up the 80's movie a couple of months back since I hadn't seen it twenty years or so. At the end of February a new edition of the original three serials was released and I was watching the cartoon version until I got the serials. I just finished "Flash Gordon's Trip To Mars" and started "Flash Gordon Conquers The Universe".

The stylistic changes in the third serial are a bit jarring, what with all the 18th and 19th century military garb. Roland Drew as Barin is closer to what I'm familiar with in terms of general physique and appearance, and he's a better actor, but I've gotten used to Richard Alexander, bad acting and all. LOL!

I'd seen various bits of these, along with Buck Rogers on the old UHF, Friday night "science fiction theater" that used to play locally. I struggled to get into them then, mainly because of the ship fx. But I never forgot that humming the ships make. As I grew up, I came to love retro sci-fi and seeing these again and in their entirety has been beyond awesome!

In addition, I picked up the second volume of Titan Books reprinting of the Flash Gordon library. Managed to FINALLY score a first volume....it's been a bitch trying to get one as they seem sold out at all the big chains, and Titan's website hasn't said anything about a second printing. My local comic shop managed to score me what was, according to their computer, the last copy from Diamond.

So it's been great to finally get to read the story in it's original form. I'm just past the point where Zarkov saves the sky city and secures the gangs freedom. Which, ironically, is where I think I left off in the cartoon when I got the serials.

With all that in mind, it's a joy to see your work on the Flash Gordon rocketship, Warped9. Simply awesome! Will you be doing the Mongo ships as well?

As for the cockpits, I think I prefer the first version as well because it's the one I remember most. When I saw the second version, I was a bit impressed with it's spaciousness, but it's one of those sets where the inside doesn't match the outside. Still cool however. I think I prefer it's control panel though.

The third version I like as well....technically it's more shape appropriate, but I think I prefer the second to it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an occasional interior shot where Flash was loading "rockets" into some tubes aboard the ship? They literally loaded the fuel from within the cockpit, iirc. Or was that Buck Rogers?
Yep. Second serial, they first show up as "retarding rockets" to slow them down when they reach Mars, as opposed to the magnets used in the first serial. The same footage of the loading mechanism was also used to show them loading bombs as well.

I recently watched a little of the Buck Rogers serial and was astounded that they had the first transporter on film and when the guy explains it to Buck, it sounds almost word for word of how the transporter on Trek was explained in an ep of ST. Also, IIRC, the bad guys weapons are like a retro version of the phaser from ST. Still prefer the ships from Flash Gordon though.
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