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Old March 12 2013, 04:54 AM   #6226
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

I have been more than happy with Batman since the relaunch and will be content to let Snyder take me for another ride. Now that Detective is improving there will be plenty of great non-past stories being told I'm sure.
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Old March 12 2013, 04:59 AM   #6227
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I'm sure we'll see numerous Trinity War tie-ins this summer as well
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Old March 12 2013, 12:12 PM   #6228
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There is no reason why a flashback story cannot be the main event in the flagship book: otherwise, Johns/Lee's Justice League wasn't the new52's flagship title when it was set five years back.

I was the one who mentioned that the flashback Batman story was probably going to pick up the Gates of Gotham/All-Star Western theme of Gotham as a sort of character, with the story shaped by architecture and geography. I'm standing by that and I'm interested. (Harper Row looks far more like a colossal dead-end to me, more of Snyder's revising the ideas of others and pretending it's new.)
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Old March 12 2013, 12:56 PM   #6229
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Yeah same with the first arc of Action Comics taking place even further, and that was the best arc of Morrison's run so far IMO. It didn't make the book "any less" than it was. Justice League: Origin just suffered from bad writing and co-plotting. Otherwise it would have been as great as Johns run has been since Lee departed.
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Old March 12 2013, 10:53 PM   #6230
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There is no reason why a flashback story cannot be the main event in the flagship book: otherwise, Johns/Lee's Justice League wasn't the new52's flagship title when it was set five years back.

I was the one who mentioned that the flashback Batman story was probably going to pick up the Gates of Gotham/All-Star Western theme of Gotham as a sort of character, with the story shaped by architecture and geography. I'm standing by that and I'm interested. (Harper Row looks far more like a colossal dead-end to me, more of Snyder's revising the ideas of others and pretending it's new.)
I think the opposite. Snyder seems to have abandoned the secret history of Gotham idea. It's only a subplot for All-Star Western and barely that now they are moving onto the Steampunk Stormwatch. Harper is VERY likely to be the next Robin given how he got Becky Cloonan to do the one shot. He has since revealed on twitter that he has known about Damien's death since he started on Batman.
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Old March 12 2013, 11:18 PM   #6231
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Yeah Tomasai has known for the past two years as well (obviously) as did Chris Burnham when he read Morrison's season two outline. I'm almost certain that Harper will eventually be Robin and it will most likely be made an event throughout the Bat Family books but be concentrated in "Batman" when it does happen. We could even see it happen by the end of the year, but I doubt that.
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Old March 13 2013, 02:37 AM   #6232
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I think the opposite. Snyder seems to have abandoned the secret history of Gotham idea.

And now hes telling a story where Bruce builds the Bat-cave. That's architecture. You may well be right that it won't play into Snyder's earlier building-based plots, but if not, I will be happy to dismiss him as a one-hit wonder (that one hit being American Vampire). I also think you're possibly right about Harper Row, but I hope you're wrong (nothing against you; I just think double digits on Robins is too much.)
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Old March 13 2013, 03:54 AM   #6233
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Bruce needs a human anchor though. Tim previously served this role in the comics, but DC obviously has other (questionable IMO) plans for him right now as Red Robin and establishing himself as his own hero. Harper I believe was specifically created by Snyder to serve this purpose, remember we were introduced to her all the way back in the first issue, and as we've seen with Snyder--like Morrison, usually there is a specific purpose for his characters in the overall plot. We know Stephanie is not coming back any time soon...maybe it's due to Harper's presence or not...that's an entirely different subject that we've already covered many times in the thread, but I believe that Harper will eventually become Bruce's next sidekick, at the very least provide that human anchor...at another time in Bruce's life where he needs one now, not only because of Damian's death but because of what the rest of his family and allies were just put through by Joker.
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Old March 13 2013, 06:50 AM   #6234
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Snyder created Harper because he couldn't use Cassandra Cain since Dan Didio has some weird embargo over her and Steph.
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Old March 13 2013, 06:56 AM   #6235
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Interesting. I didn't know that he wanted to use Cass.
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Old March 13 2013, 01:29 PM   #6236
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I would be happy if she became Batmans new partner but was not named Robin until much later if at all.
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Old March 13 2013, 01:46 PM   #6237
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I'm with Icemizer, although I twitch at the thought of a new Oracle, too. I just can;t be helped.

I agree that Harper Row was introduced for a reason. Maybe it looked clumsy to me after the introduction of Carlie Cooper, which was also conducted as an insistence that the reader embrace her. What I do find interesting is that the preview of Batman 18 (I think) shows Blackgate, which might mean Harper is our eyes into anothe rpart of Gotham geography. (Less interesting is the clearly-cribbed family troubles with Dad: that's just taken straight from Stephanie Brown and Cluemaster, as per Snyder's usual Bat-writing.)
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Old March 13 2013, 02:22 PM   #6238
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Batman and Robin #18.

Damn. If the last three pages don't make you cry, you're not human.
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Old March 13 2013, 06:13 PM   #6239
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Bruce needs a human anchor though.
Did Jason still die post-52? If so, Bruce looks a bit of a sociopath - he's killed off two child Robins in less than five years and he's recruiting a third?
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Jason still died...and more like Harper is auditioning for the job
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