RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,380
Posts: 5,357,099
Members: 24,628
Currently online: 531
Newest member: suryaprabu02

TrekToday headlines

The Gene Roddenberry Project Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Moore: No Deep Space Nine Regrets
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Pegg Star Wars Rumor
By: T'Bonz on Jul 30

Borg Cube Fridge
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Free Enterprise Kickstarter
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Siddig To Join Game Of Thrones
By: T'Bonz on Jul 29

Sci-Fried To Release New Album
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek/Planet of the Apes Crossover
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek into Darkness Soundtrack
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Horse 1, Shatner 0
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Doctor Who

Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 11 2013, 11:21 PM   #1
Mark_Nguyen
Commodore
 
Mark_Nguyen's Avatar
 
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

With the recent revelation that Sylvester McCoy is coming to my local comic expo, I decided to revisit a few of his stories. This one is one I haven't seen end-to-end since the late 90s, and has always rated low because, well, I had no idea what was happening.

Not at all to my surprise, I *still* don't get what's with "Ghost Light". Even after reading the written summary of the story, I just can't understand what any of the characters are getting at, let alone how they interact. All of the "aliens" seem to be speaking randomly and are completely ignorant of any of the others. Honestly, the whole thing seems back to front to me...

I'm wondering who here really liked Ghost Light? Or understood the bad acid-trip it still seems to be to me?

Mark
__________________
Mark Nguyen - Producer
The 404s - Improv Comedy Group

Oh, I like that Trek thing too...
Mark_Nguyen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 11 2013, 11:29 PM   #2
Starkers
Admiral
 
Starkers's Avatar
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

Ghost Light is either the greatest episode of Who ever, or else the physical manifestation of the Emperor's New Clothes...

Personally I'm as baffled as you are. The last time I tried to watch it I gave up after the second episode...
__________________
Werewolves on the Moon Now with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes review

The Devils of Amber Street
Starkers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 01:14 AM   #3
DalekJim
Fleet Captain
 
DalekJim's Avatar
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

Ghost Light is my favourite Doctor Who story and absolutely everything in it makes sense. Give it another watch, there's a lot to soak up but the explanations are all there.

Basically, Light was head of a ship that surveyed all life in the universe in order to catalogue it. A Survey agent working for Light (Originally one of the lizard things!) decided he wanted to be the daddy in charge and sealed Light in the ship. Survey then decided to evolve to the top of Earth's evolutionary progress, a Victorian gentleman. Thus Survey assumes the identity of Josiah. Survey then captures and brainwashes the explorer Fenn-Cooper in to a planned assassination plot against Queen Victoria, so Survey can take over the British Empire.

However, things go wrong and Light escapes his imprisonment. He goes slightly batshit insane when he realises life can never be catalogued and plots to fuck the world up. However, The Doctor manages to convince him that stopping evolution is impossible and thus causes Light to overload. His presence remains in the house though, and is what a young Ace is frightened of in the future.
DalekJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 01:20 AM   #4
The Wormhole
Admiral
 
The Wormhole's Avatar
 
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I watched Ghost Light for the first time last fall. I too was quite confused.
__________________
"Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.
The Wormhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 01:22 AM   #5
Stevil2001
Rear Admiral
 
Stevil2001's Avatar
 
Location: 2010
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I like it. I don't love it, but I like it. Doctor Who as its trying-hardest.
__________________
"I'm afraid Joe's just not the kind of guy that's meant to be adaptable."
Science's Less Accurate Grandmother
Stevil2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 03:14 AM   #6
P0sitr0nic
Vice Admiral
 
P0sitr0nic's Avatar
 
Location: Jedi Council
Send a message via AIM to P0sitr0nic
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I remember really liking that one.
__________________
If you're one of the meatheads constantly droning on about "take my country back"... GET OVER IT. The confederacy LOST.
P0sitr0nic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 03:25 AM   #7
Iamnotspock
Captain
 
Location: Bristol, England
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

DalekJim wrote: View Post
Ghost Light is my favourite Doctor Who story and absolutely everything in it makes sense. Give it another watch, there's a lot to soak up but the explanations are all there.
Absolutely everything? I understand the basics, but maybe you can help me; why is Mrs Pritchard stimulating Control with copies of The Times? Why does the snuff box glow with Light energy? Why are Mrs Grose and the day staff even retained? Why do the night maids disappear without explanation?
Iamnotspock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 04:06 AM   #8
Chaos Descending
Vice Admiral
 
Chaos Descending's Avatar
 
Location: Grand Canyon State
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I detest almost everything about the Seventh Doctor's run. Ghost Light is no exception. Absolutely horrible.
__________________
"Romanes eunt domus"
- Brian
Chaos Descending is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 04:12 AM   #9
Stevil2001
Rear Admiral
 
Stevil2001's Avatar
 
Location: 2010
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

Chaos Descending wrote: View Post
I detest almost everything about the Seventh Doctor's run. Ghost Light is no exception. Absolutely horrible.
I can understand not liking Ghost Light, but this is an attitude I find utterly baffling. My wife (a New Who fan) and I just did a watchthrough of all the Ace stories, and I found it pound-for-pound one of the best periods of the show's history. It bursts with creativity and energy, plays with the show's mythology, creates guest characters that are more than just plot functions, has almost no stock story types. The only Ace story I outright dislike is Silver Nemesis, while Remembrance of the Daleks, The Greatest Show in the Galaxy, Battlefield, The Curse of Fenric, and Survival are all top tier stories.

Yeah, I know, different people have different tastes, but sometime different tastes are incomprehensible!
__________________
"I'm afraid Joe's just not the kind of guy that's meant to be adaptable."
Science's Less Accurate Grandmother
Stevil2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 04:37 AM   #10
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

The McCoy seasons were uneven; I hated both "Silver Nemesis" and "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy," though I like some of the much-hated ones like "The Happiness Patrol" and "Paradise Towers." (And I kind of like "Ghost Light" too.) But they did have some of the series' most brilliant serials, particularly "Remembrance" and "Battlefield." And even the less successful ones were interestingly experimental. In a lot of ways, that last couple of seasons presaged the modern series, in that it gave us just about the most richly nuanced and complex companion the series had ever had up to that point, and made the Doctor a more complex and ambiguous figure as well. There was definitely a new maturity to the series in those last few years, which I assume came from Cartmel as story editor and from the writers he brought in.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 05:22 AM   #11
The Mirrorball Man
Vice Admiral
 
The Mirrorball Man's Avatar
 
Location: Switzerland
View The Mirrorball Man's Twitter Profile
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I don't enjoy the seventh Doctor or his "era" at all, and I feel that some fans give it a pass because of its scope and ambitions. While I can understand that, I feel that those ambitions were not fulfilled. Ghost Light in particular feels like a first draft. It's not confusing because it's complex, it's confusing because it's not written very well.
__________________
Check out my deviantArt gallery!
The Mirrorball Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 11:16 AM   #12
DalekJim
Fleet Captain
 
DalekJim's Avatar
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

Christopher wrote: View Post
The McCoy seasons were uneven; I hated both "Silver Nemesis" and "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy,"
Why did you hate Greatest Show? It's superlative.

The Mirrorball Man wrote: View Post
It's not confusing because it's complex, it's confusing because it's not written very well.
If Ghost Light is confusing (Which it isn't!), it's because the story was shortened by one episode with late notice. Also, Marc Platt is a great writer. His Cybermen audio Spare Parts makes Rise of the Cybermen look utterly amateurish.

Also, Lungbarrow is a great novel. One of my favourite VNAs.
DalekJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 11:40 AM   #13
The Mirrorball Man
Vice Admiral
 
The Mirrorball Man's Avatar
 
Location: Switzerland
View The Mirrorball Man's Twitter Profile
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

DalekJim wrote: View Post
If Ghost Light is confusing (Which it isn't!), it's because the story was shortened by one episode with late notice. Also, Marc Platt is a great writer. His Cybermen audio Spare Parts makes Rise of the Cybermen look utterly amateurish.
Oh, I'm sure he's talented. Anyone can have an off day or two.
__________________
Check out my deviantArt gallery!
The Mirrorball Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 04:05 PM   #14
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

DalekJim wrote: View Post
Christopher wrote: View Post
The McCoy seasons were uneven; I hated both "Silver Nemesis" and "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy,"
Why did you hate Greatest Show? It's superlative.
I don't really remember -- I disliked it so much that I rarely rewatched it. Although I tracked down a recap of the story, and I didn't like that much either. Too many characters with weird fairy-tale-ish names, too much self-conscious surrealism. Plus there's the whole clown thing. And I have the impression that I found the production values to be way too cheap and unappealing. I mean, cheap productions were kind of the norm for the original series, but in this case I just didn't like the look and feel of it at all.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 04:07 PM   #15
DalekJim
Fleet Captain
 
DalekJim's Avatar
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: Ghost Light - What the hell is going on?

I tend to prefer the surreal, more imaginative stories over the more generic action-adventure ones. I also think Greatest Show is a really good production with some terrific performances and a wonderfully eerie atmosphere. Those clowns were among the last truly frightening things in Doctor Who. Loved Mags the werewolf too. Would have liked her to have been a companion .

McCoy is my main man and the only story of his I find a chore to rewatch is Time and the Rani. Though Dragonfire is kinda average.
DalekJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:52 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.