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Old March 10 2013, 02:07 AM   #16
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Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?

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The shape is wrong for it to be a pre-timeline change Connie. It looks like the Alt-Enterprise, just look at the shape of the nacelles. So, I'm banking on the alternative explanation: Kirk is doing his orbital skydive thing to get back into the ship from another vessel (shuttecraft?). Or else it's simply another Alt-Constitution Class ship. I mean, it isn't like the USS Enterprise was the only one we ever saw in TOS, the Starfleet consisted mostly of them.
Except in Countdown to Darkness they show a previous Enterprise that looks kind of like the JJprise

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Old March 10 2013, 02:12 AM   #17
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Why would there be two Enterprises at once? If we accept the Countdown to Darkness comic's version of the backstory (remember, the comics aren't canonical)
I thought I read somewhere that Roberto Orci said that 'their' comics are canonical since they're overseeing them.

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Old March 10 2013, 02:13 AM   #18
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Why would there be two Enterprises at once? If we accept the Countdown to Darkness comic's version of the backstory (remember, the comics aren't canonical)
I thought I read somewhere that Roberto Orci said that 'their' comics are canonical since they're overseeing them.
That would be the infamous Trekmovie interview where Orci was basically manipulated into calling the comics canon and which he has since backtracked on.
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Old March 10 2013, 02:14 AM   #19
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Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?

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Why would there be two Enterprises at once? If we accept the Countdown to Darkness comic's version of the backstory (remember, the comics aren't canonical)
I thought I read somewhere that Roberto Orci said that 'their' comics are canonical since they're overseeing them.
January 2013, interview about Countdown to Darkness

How canon is this?

Orci: We get asked that a lot, and it’s our understanding that canon is that which is filmed. As a strict Constitutionalist, I don’t support a change in the definition of canon during my tenure. Perhaps future courts can take up the issue, but in the meantime the comics are as close to canon as you can get without being on film
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Old March 10 2013, 02:21 AM   #20
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But would an Admiral have an old decommissioned ship as his to use?
Im not saying its the old Enterprise, just saying he has his own Starfleet flagship. It is strange however, that they chose a design that has such a similar shape to the other Enterprise, but they're obviously different ships.
In "All Good Things," it was established that an Admiral could pick whatever vessel he/she wanted as a flagship: Riker chose the supped-up 1701-D for nostalgic reasons. I suppose it could have been the case that Adm. Marcus had sentimental attachment, or maybe Starfleet said "Hey, Adm. Marcus: we're just going to throw this Enterprise out. You want it?"

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Old March 10 2013, 02:23 AM   #21
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Whether it's April's Enterprise or not, it seems like that starship has subtle differences, like better proportioned nacelles for one. The freakishly large Hod Rod ones are pretty much a new development. So not much of a surprise to me, finding an older generation of ship, has better lines I'd approve of.

I don't think we're thinking like movie writer/producers. Which I imagine generally involves thinking "Hey, wouldn't it be COOL if...?" Because films like this basically boil down to one or two set pieces an audience will look back on and remember.

Well. Hey wouldn't it be cool if we could have two Enterprises fight each other?
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Old March 10 2013, 02:31 AM   #22
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Well. Hey wouldn't it be cool if we could have two Enterprises fight each other?
And that could be a possibility if it is indeed April's old Enterprise. It looks like the J.J. Enterprise is spiraling towards earth after it looks as though it has been in a pitch battle. I am wondering if a battle takes place between the moon and Earth. It does look like the other Enterprise looking ship is in a moons orbit.

Update.

Anthony Pascale over at Trekmovie has confirmed it is the Earths moon that the Enterprise looking ship is orbiting along with Kirk space diving towards it in a debris field. My bet is the debris is pieces of the J.J. Enterprise hull and it's deflector dish.

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Old March 10 2013, 05:37 AM   #23
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Khans ship is Aprils enterprise
I called it
Likely given to him by Weller in some odd connection with his days with April
Easier to give a plant a decommissioned starship everyone has forgotten about than a brand new ship which might raise more than a few eyebrows if it were to go missing

So khan is the instrument of some revenge by admiral Marcus from his days with April
Coming together now

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Old March 10 2013, 06:00 AM   #24
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Re: Spoilers:
The spoiler warning up front was a good way to start off.

However, proceeding directly to placing the spoiler right there in the subject line, so that it's visible to all on the Main Index each time this thread moves to the top of this forum?

Not such a good finish, so I've edited your subject lines accordingly.
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Old March 10 2013, 01:18 PM   #25
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The shape is wrong for it to be a pre-timeline change Connie. It looks like the Alt-Enterprise, just look at the shape of the nacelles. So, I'm banking on the alternative explanation: Kirk is doing his orbital skydive thing to get back into the ship from another vessel (shuttecraft?). Or else it's simply another Alt-Constitution Class ship. I mean, it isn't like the USS Enterprise was the only one we ever saw in TOS, the Starfleet consisted mostly of them.
Except in Countdown to Darkness they show a previous Enterprise that looks kind of like the JJprise
I wouldn't put any stock in IDW's depictions of ships in their comics. Their track record is awful - in recent issues of Star Trek Ongoing, they've used the TMP version of the Enterprise to represent the 2009 version of the ship, in one panel of another issue they even used a smooshed TNG Enterprise with "NCC-1701-D" written across the saucer, they often use TNG bridge graphics on ships of all eras (in Spock: Reflections, the sight of the TOS Enterprise bridge where every console surface was solidly covered in Voyager-style bridge graphics was more than a little bizzare) ... so long as it's from Star Trek, it's good enough for them. They likely just reused the 2009 movie Enterprise (drawn with nacelles further apart exactly as they drew it in their adaptation of the 2009 movie) to represent a vaguely similar looking ship.
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Old March 11 2013, 05:13 PM   #26
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Its probably the same ship we see crashing in the bay in every preview...
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Old March 11 2013, 10:02 PM   #27
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It is the original Ncc1701 and thus tis true as IGN claims that the Enterprise crashes into san Fran Bay
Engines and angle of pylons seem to match
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Old March 12 2013, 03:49 AM   #28
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It is the original Ncc1701 and thus tis true as IGN claims that the Enterprise crashes into san Fran Bay
Engines and angle of pylons seem to match
No, that ship in the debris field orbiting the Moon is not the Enterprise, either the original or the nuEnterprise. It's the same ship that crashes into the water in all the trailers, but it's not the Enterprise.
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Old March 12 2013, 04:38 AM   #29
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Which will end up being that same mystery ship in orbit, Aprils lost USS Enterprise
Therefore as IGN says the Enterprise is the ship seen crashing into the water
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Which will end up being that same mystery ship in orbit, Aprils lost USS Enterprise
Therefore as IGN says the Enterprise is the ship seen crashing into the water
Do you have a link for that?
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