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Old March 12 2013, 12:14 AM   #2176
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^^I expect you're right. In the end, honesty (even, no, especially in thinking) really is the best policy, even if your in the arts and entertainment for the money. I suppose that sounds too childish to contemplate, much less try.
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Old March 12 2013, 12:25 AM   #2177
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^^I expect you're right. In the end, honesty (even, no, especially in thinking) really is the best policy, even if your in the arts and entertainment for the money. I suppose that sounds too childish to contemplate, much less try.
Well, I doubt that anybody in their right mind goes into the arts and entertainment only for the money, but that's a whole other issue.
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Old March 12 2013, 12:28 AM   #2178
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^^I expect you're right. In the end, honesty (even, no, especially in thinking) really is the best policy, even if your in the arts and entertainment for the money. I suppose that sounds too childish to contemplate, much less try.
Well, I doubt that anybody in their right mind goes into the arts and entertainment only for the money, but that's a whole other issue.
You think I don't see through you?

You just wanted to quote my typo!
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Old March 12 2013, 12:34 AM   #2179
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If I quoted every typo on the internet, I'd never get anything else done.

Just don't confuse "role" with "roll," okay? That drives me nuts!
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Old March 12 2013, 02:21 AM   #2180
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tv, not just sff, has been pretty lousy in the last ten years. Sff in particular seem to base their shows on such limited premises that rely heavily on introducing way too many mysteries that are drawn out that after one season they have no idea how to keep it going. Add to that poor writing, bland characters, lacklustre casting and complicated incoherent mythologies.

whatever happened to modest ensembles, a few linear arcs that aren't interconnected and rely on contrivances.
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Old March 12 2013, 04:14 AM   #2181
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If I quoted every typo on the internet, I'd never get anything else done.

Just don't confuse "role" with "roll," okay? That drives me nuts!
So, um, are you writing the next Space Vixens book? Because I'd totally buy that.
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Old March 12 2013, 09:45 AM   #2182
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I've always thought that there was vocabulary problem at work here, in that we tend to use the same words--bomb, flop, disaster--to describe both commercial and artistic failures, which are very different concepts. With the result that we often end up talking past each other.

Granted, there are plenty of shows that fail on both levels, and there may even be a causal link sometimes, but they aren't the same thing --and it can get confusing when we throw the terms around interchangeably.

Just because something bombed doesn't mean it sucked, and vise versa.
I completely agree with both points. Ambiguous terms obfuscate rather than illuminate. And, more often than not, both the producers and the audience confuse success with quality-- in visual media, at least, the reverse is more likely to be true.
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Old March 12 2013, 04:46 PM   #2183
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It sounds like the Cowboys and Aliens fiasco. Space Vixens? Talk about a common denominator. They loved Salieri too. Who knows what's going to sell as that is no indication of quality. The last TOS book by that new guy sounds horrible. I think it is becoming purposeful. spoil the water so the audience will beg for anything better. No offense, Greg, but your stories haven't sent me over the moon either. So political clout and style kicks the ass of quality and artistic and moral merit every time, huh? This is why I don't buy books or go to the movies anymore.
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Old March 12 2013, 06:14 PM   #2184
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If I quoted every typo on the internet, I'd never get anything else done.

Just don't confuse "role" with "roll," okay? That drives me nuts!
So, um, are you writing the next Space Vixens book? Because I'd totally buy that.
Well, I once wrote an Alias novel set at a Space Vixens convention. Does that count?

(It's been my default title for a hypothetical TV series ever since!)
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Old March 12 2013, 07:28 PM   #2185
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Karl Urban Set To Star In Fox’s J.H. Wyman/ J.J. Abrams Futuristic Drama Pilot

The action-packed buddy cop show is set in the near future when all LAPD officers are partnered with highly evolved human-like androids. It centers on one such pairing, cop John Kennex (Urban) and his android partner Dorian (Ealy). Kennex is described as a respected police officer who has shut down emotionally after a tragic mission left him critically injured.
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Old March 12 2013, 07:50 PM   #2186
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^^^ In short if you're an actor it's good to know JJ because he's got a lot of gigs going right now. I wonder if any Trek actors will get any work in Wars?
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Old March 12 2013, 09:22 PM   #2187
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John Billingsley Added To ‘Intelligence’
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Old March 12 2013, 09:43 PM   #2188
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Great news about Urban! He'll play off Michael Ealy very well. That's definitely my favorite pilot of this skimpy season. JJ Abrams has a good track record having pilots go to series, so here's hoping it survives.

As for Billingsley, my condolences that he's stuck on some dumbass CBS cop series, although the job security is good. CBS doesn't need many new shows this season, but that one looks like it has the star power to be a front-runner,
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Old March 13 2013, 05:05 AM   #2189
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Michiel Huisman To Star In NBC Pilot ‘The Sixth Gun’

Kelly Hu In CW’s ‘The 100′
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Old March 13 2013, 06:07 AM   #2190
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It sounds like the Cowboys and Aliens fiasco. Space Vixens? Talk about a common denominator. They loved Salieri too. Who knows what's going to sell as that is no indication of quality. The last TOS book by that new guy sounds horrible. I think it is becoming purposeful. spoil the water so the audience will beg for anything better. No offense, Greg, but your stories haven't sent me over the moon either. So political clout and style kicks the ass of quality and artistic and moral merit every time, huh? This is why I don't buy books or go to the movies anymore.

Not sure if serious... no, scratch that. Not sure what you're talking about.
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