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Old March 10 2013, 01:06 AM   #46
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

Star Trek was my favorite show for so long, nothing came close, but I really like Doctor Who, Tom Baker is my Doctor, and Ultraman. Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Night Stalker, and Night Gallery are also favorites.

I watched and like both Buck Rodgers and Battlestar Galactica, but they're ten plus years later, I don't think of them the same way.

BTW, I recently bought the full Outer Limits dvd set and besides being a really good show, I had a really fun time playing spot the Star Trek (or other now famous) actor. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'd say it's 67% that someone from Star Trek is going to be on. I understand the supposed decrease in quality the second season, but I don't agree, I think some of the best are in the second season. But the first season music is superior, and they had many more monsters, so if you need a "bear" to be quality, then the second season did drop off. Also, there's this article which I found interesting: http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpres...trekmyths2.htm
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Old March 10 2013, 01:55 AM   #47
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I had dim memories of The Outer Limits and the Twilight Zone. Revisiting them later I found a lot of good stuff there. I didn't care at all for Space: 1999 back in the day, but revisiting it this past year I found quite a bit of Season 1 to be decent enough. Still, Season 2 has maybe one good episode and the rest is...not.
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Old March 10 2013, 02:11 AM   #48
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THE OUTER LIMITS was revived in 1995 and ran for seven years. It was extremely good, almost without fail. I'm sure it would have been an even bigger hit were it not for the anthology format with no regulars. The audience likes characters they know.
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Old March 10 2013, 02:15 AM   #49
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Still, Season 2 has maybe one good episode and the rest is...not.
That's a diplomatic way of putting it. I loved the "haunted castle in space" atmosphere of the first season of SPACE: 1999. Science didn't matter. This was about mood.

Then the producers did a BUCK ROGERS and tried to make the second season more adventuresome and "Trek-like." (Pink jackets? Really?) The "action first, forget questions later" convention can be summed up in the segment for Martin Landau in the opening titles: He whips around in his chair, leaps up and fires from the hip before even taking a bead on what it was he was firing at. ("Oh, sorry about that, Carter. You had something to report?") I've read that season two was "punched up" for American audiences, which I find insulting.

I'd pare season two down to less than an episode. Despite having seen the DVDs just recently, the one outstanding thing I remember is Maya (in a delirium) trying to fly an Eagle inside the hangar bay.
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Old March 10 2013, 02:31 AM   #50
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

How do TOS fans rate the other vintage sci-fi shows? I seemed to like everything I got my hands on:
LOST IN SPACE-The first season had some good episodes, but the rest was too childish to really recommend it.

I don't hate LIS because competed it with Trek, I hated it because it wasn't very good.

VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, LAND OF THE GIANTS, TIME TUNNEL: Giants is a very grounded SF show, it almost feels like it could have happened. It also had pretty good FX for the time. Voyage had a few good episodes early on but suffered very quickly after that. Time Tunnel isn't really grounded by any kind of reality and very quickly becomes unbelievable. If there ever was a Temporal Investigations unit in the future, these guys would have been flagged faster than warp drive.

Classic GALACTICA and BUCK ROGERS: I like Galactica, I just wish it had better stories to tell. If it had 3-4 years to develop it might have gotten better. I understand they were seeking out established scifi writers for season 2, but it never came to pass. Blood and Chrome comes to mind as a GOOD example of how Galactica should've been, not like most of nuBSG or the 1979 version. Buck Rogers: Pure age 9-10 nostalgia is the only reason I can bear it at all, it's not a good show. Season 2 somehow made space feel less mysterious...every planet was an analogy to some ancient human history.


MAN FROM ATLANTIS:I remember it put me to sleep even back in the 70s.

LOGAN'S RUN: The only really good script was Harlan Ellison's, which is a must watch. http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/logantv/crypt/index.htm

OUTER LIMTS: To this day one of the purest science fiction shows ever. It's becoming more out of date in some ways, but its atmospheric, smart, and cool at the same time. Probably too dry for some modern fans though.

TWILIGHT ZONE: Excellent series, not much I can say that hasn't been said.

SPACE 1999: A couple of good episodes but this is an example of a show that tried to be like ST circa 1960s and wound up feeling lifeless.

UFO: Some coolness here, but seems pretty dated today. Some nice scifi equipment. The aliens were kind of uninteresting, they were scarier when we didn't see them. I could mention the obvious that any alien advanced enough to make it to Earth could have wiped the floor with those rockets..

THE INVADERS: A good show!! Wish it would have lasted longer. X-Files before it's time. Hopeless cause though, probably a downer that kept it from being popular.

BLAKE'S 7: YES! Cheap but rescued by it's characters. A Star Wars clone with a twist of Star Trek thrown in too. Possibly the best scifi show of the 70s along with Dr Who...

DR WHO: A mixed bag but very ambitious show...this show had no business having episodes with huge empires, giant robots, hyper advanced civilizations, dinosaurs but dammit they did it anyway. Some of the actors in the 70s raised this above the actual material at times, Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee in particular.
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Old March 10 2013, 03:36 AM   #51
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I'm afraid this post is for us older guys (I'm 50), but anyway, long before the Internet I used to love any book or magazine I could get ahold of to document my beloved sci-fi shows.

FANTASTIC TELEVISION was and still is a great book, and loaded with hundreds of photos (a big deal before the Net came along):



This book even got into near-genre shows I loved like BEWITCHED, and gems from before my time like Julie Newmar (Yeah, Baby!) as a sexy fembot in MY LIVING DOLL.
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Old March 10 2013, 03:51 AM   #52
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Does anyone else remember the 1972 TV movie PROBE starring Hugh O'Brien, which became the series SEARCH?

And obviously the Roddenberry movies were must-see TV for our generation of TOS fans: GENESIS II, PLANET EARTH, THE QUESTOR TAPES, and SPECTRE.

I liked them all. I was eleven when GENESIS II first aired, and at my sister's wedding reception. I had to go to a bar in the basement (lucky they let me in at that age) to watch it. I don't think any film has opened with a more intriguing first line: "My name is Dylan Hunt, and my story begins the day I died." And the archeologists finding his body in the cavern chamber. So cool.
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Old March 10 2013, 04:30 AM   #53
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Does anyone else remember the 1972 TV movie PROBE starring Hugh O'Brien, which became the series SEARCH?

And obviously the Roddenberry movies were must-see TV for our generation of TOS fans: GENESIS II, PLANET EARTH, THE QUESTOR TAPES, and SPECTRE.
Yes! I really liked Search and would love to see the series on DVD.

I also liked Genesis II at the time and so it would be interesting to see after all these years. I didn't care for Planet Earth as much and I've never seen The Questor Tapes.
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Old March 10 2013, 05:34 AM   #54
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I see reading this that I am pretty much easy to please and very undemanding as a viewer than most of you guys. I love just about every show you hate. :-)
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Old March 10 2013, 06:35 AM   #55
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OUTER LIMTS: To this day one of the purest science fiction shows ever. It's becoming more out of date in some ways, but it's atmospheric, smart, and cool at the same time.
Some of the original Outer Limits eps were amazingly prescient, like "O.B.I.T." Remove the alien-invader angle and it wouldn't even be considered science fiction today.

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I liked them all. I was eleven when GENESIS II first aired, and at my sister's wedding reception. I had to go to a bar in the basement (lucky they let me in at that age) to watch it. I don't think any film has opened with a more intriguing first line: "My name is Dylan Hunt, and my story begins the day I died." And the archeologists finding his body in the cavern chamber. So cool.
Don't forget Mariette Hartley's dual navels.
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Old March 11 2013, 08:10 AM   #56
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Don't forget Mariette Hartley's dual navels.
I won't!

Gene Roddenberry had an extremely well-deserved reputation as a sex maniac (the term Alexander Courage used for him), and I think it's notable that all of GR's productions were infused with sexual themes, to the extent he could get them in without pushback from above. Just look at Susan Oliver's scenes as a woman of color in "The Cage." Hot, hot, hot.

Then came his made-for-TV movies. GENESIS II and PLANET EARTH both have sexualized S&M themes (Hartley's totalitarian regime disciplines their slaves with little cattle prods, Dylan is auctioned as a slave to the very cruel and dominant "Women of Ruth"...).

At a cocktail party (if I recall) in THE QUESTOR TAPES, the first thing Questor notices is that "The males appear to be fixated on the epidermal portions of the females."

Roddenberry wanted Questor to get a girl in the movie, because as an android, "...he could do what he wanted, as often as he wanted, probably for as long as he wanted." Apparently the network said no.

SPECTRE had a lot of sexy stuff going on, especially for that era of TV.

This is not even to mention his non-sci-fi film, PRETTY MAIDS ALL IN A ROW, where sex was the whole point.

I guess you'd have to say Irwin Allen was just the opposite.
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Old March 11 2013, 08:26 AM   #57
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Roddenberry wanted Questor to get a girl in the movie, because as an android, "...he could do what he wanted, as often as he wanted, probably for as long as he wanted." Apparently the network said no.
So did Roddenberry get his last laugh with TNG: The Naked Now?

I'm only half-joking. From http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D.C._Fontana:

In 2006, [D.C. Fontana] gave an interview to Star Trek Monthly in which she talked about writing for three Star Trek series. She notes how unhappy she was with the way Gene Roddenberry re-wrote the episodes they wrote together. She used the pseudonym "J. Michael Bingham" for "The Naked Now", as she was especially unhappy with the episode.
Does anybody know who was responsible for the Tasha and Data subplot in that episode?
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Old March 11 2013, 09:22 AM   #58
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. . . Just look at Susan Oliver's scenes as a woman of color in "The Cage." Hot, hot, hot.
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Old March 11 2013, 03:37 PM   #59
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Loved TZ. Calling this show "iconic" doesn't even begin to do it justice.

Outer Limits, when it was good, it was very, very good.

The Invaders. Loved this one too. Real "cold war era" feel to it. Loved how Vincent always seemed on the verge of cracking up. I don't think he even cracked a joke until the second season, when he had help.

The Immortal. Really liked the pilot film. Haven't seen any of the eps in ages, but as I recall the writing was sub-par due to a labor dispute.

Time Tunnel and Voyage, started off good but turned into "monster of the week" shows.

"Night Stalker"-Loved both pilot movies, but the series was too campy by half.
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Time Tunnel and Voyage, started off good but turned into "monster of the week" shows.
To be fair, Time tunnel was not a monster of the week show. They had no monsters whatsoever, but they did get into space aliens and futuristic societies that didn't come off very well. The series got pedestrian. Voyage did embrace monsters, but did so from the very beginning. They just because more frequent and repetitive. I like monsters, so I had little problem with this.
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