RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 135,888
Posts: 5,222,595
Members: 24,232
Currently online: 588
Newest member: shadow55

TrekToday headlines

De Lancie Joins Mind Puppets
By: T'Bonz on Apr 24

Cumberbatch One Of Time Magazine’s Most Influential
By: T'Bonz on Apr 24

Trek Actor Smithsonian Magazine Cover First
By: T'Bonz on Apr 24

Takei To Receive Award
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Yelchin In New Comedy
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

U.S. Rights For Pegg Comedy Secured
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Shatner: Aging and Work
By: T'Bonz on Apr 23

Kurtzman And Orci Go Solo
By: T'Bonz on Apr 22

Star Trek #32 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Apr 22

Voyager Bridge Via The Oculus Rift
By: T'Bonz on Apr 21


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Fandom > Fan Productions

Fan Productions Creating our own Trek canon!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 10 2013, 01:46 AM   #1
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
"C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

A 15-minute sci-fi short film called "C" is viewable online at Vimeo (link below) and while it is the topic of another thread, its approach seemed to be something worth bringing up here for fan filmmakers.

"C" is about a mutiny on a spaceship, and while the merits of the story are debatable, what's of particular interest here is that the film was made largely in the old-school way: sans CGI effects, no greenscreen. The effects are in-camera and the sets are lighting are practical. Even the spaceship shots feature miniatures which are shot with an ingenious substitute for a motion-control rig.

The film (link)

And article about the making of it
__________________
* * *
“The absence of limitations is the enemy of art.”
― Orson Welles

Last edited by Maurice; March 10 2013 at 06:55 AM.
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 03:21 AM   #2
Captain Atkin
Commander
 
Captain Atkin's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

That was very impressive.
Captain Atkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 03:54 AM   #3
Avon
Fleet Captain
 
Avon's Avatar
 
Location: Space Wales
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

very nice looking. though why does the ship jettison its engines before zipping away? makes no sense to me.
__________________

Hello to Jason Isaacs!
Avon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 04:00 AM   #4
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Is there a way to download this, to watch in a non-streaming mode?
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 04:59 AM   #5
Captain Atkin
Commander
 
Captain Atkin's Avatar
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

junxon wrote: View Post
very nice looking. though why does the ship jettison its engines before zipping away? makes no sense to me.
I think it was so that none of the crew could take the ship back to Earth. They were on a one way course to a new world. At the speed they were travelling, they may no longer have needed the engine to complete the journey.
Captain Atkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 06:52 AM   #6
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Captain Atkin wrote: View Post
junxon wrote: View Post
very nice looking. though why does the ship jettison its engines before zipping away? makes no sense to me.
I think it was so that none of the crew could take the ship back to Earth. They were on a one way course to a new world. At the speed they were travelling, they may no longer have needed the engine to complete the journey.
Frankly, the story is pretty illogical. What interesting is that the preview film <link> and the Kickstarter promo film <link> seem to promise more than the finished product, which focuses on the action and not the reason's why. The film is called C but the whole subject of the speed of light is pretty much ignored.

I was more interested in the production values and techniques than the short, which I find 100% meh.
__________________
* * *
“The absence of limitations is the enemy of art.”
― Orson Welles
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 04:22 PM   #7
Today
Lieutenant Commander
 
Today's Avatar
 
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

While this is immensely cool and very well done, it is worth noting that it's not exactly low budget.

Unless they had all that hardware sitting around ahead of time, the cost of creating the model shots is almost certainly > the cost of hiring an artist to produce what are really only a handful of exterior shots.

That said, I really like the look of this production. It absolutely wouldn't have had the same feel with CG, and I'm sure it cut down on post-production to have everything done in camera.

The bottom line, I still think CG would have been the less expensive option.. But I'm glad they did it the way they did it
__________________
You have eight Earth minutes left. No Further Communication Will Be Accepted.
Today is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 06:43 PM   #8
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Cinematography looks extremely fine.
Not sure about that 80s soundtrack and sound effects.
__________________
lol
l
/\
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 07:09 PM   #9
Borgminister
Moderator
 
Location: California
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Even though it was a stealth mutiny, it was still quite slow-moving. They could've Abrahm'ed it up a bit.
Borgminister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 10 2013, 07:33 PM   #10
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Borgminister wrote: View Post
Even though it was a stealth mutiny, it was still quite slow-moving. They could've Abrahm'ed it up a bit.
The lighting equipment didn't produce enough lens flares, so they didn't pursue that idea.
__________________
lol
l
/\
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 11 2013, 05:29 AM   #11
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Maybe for a fan film that's high, but it's still a low budget film.
__________________
* * *
“The absence of limitations is the enemy of art.”
― Orson Welles
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 11 2013, 12:00 PM   #12
Today
Lieutenant Commander
 
Today's Avatar
 
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

Maurice wrote: View Post
Maybe for a fan film that's high, but it's still a low budget film.
My comment was more in reference to this:

Wired.com Making Of wrote:
When Derek Van Gorder and Otto Stockmeier decided to make a science fiction short about a mutiny on an interplanetary warship, they didn’t have the funds for CGI. They did, on the other hand, have access to the digital cameras that are part and parcel of any contemporary filmmaker’s toolkit. So they eschewed the digitally rendered graphics that are ubiquitous today, and instead set out to combine classic in-camera special effects with the advanced low-light filming capabilities of the latest cameras. The result: a unique science fiction vision for their film C 299,792 km/s, released yesterday.
Which strongly implies that model work was intended to be a cost saving measure.

Perhaps that was just spin added by Wired? But I just don't see how a DSLR based motion control rig would cost less than producing a handful of simple space shots in their 3D program of choice.

Not only that:
quote wrote:
When Charles Adams came on board to actually build the ship, he used my father’s 3D model to re-build it once again in Rhino, adding a lot more amazing details, but more importantly this allowed him to produce accurate shapes for laser printing. Basically, with the Rhino 3D model Charles was able to generate a base kit of laser cut parts, much like a model kit you might get in a store. He then kit bashed all the amazing intricate details onto this base.
They built the ship in 3D anyway to block out the physical model, so they had already invested in a 3d modeling program at that point and had a screen ready 3D model.

It sort of undermines the coolness factor by pretending that they used models just to save money (especially when it must have cost them more to do it this way) rather than acknowledge it was a deliberate stylistic choice.

I'm not sure how well my point came across originally.

My $0.02
__________________
You have eight Earth minutes left. No Further Communication Will Be Accepted.
Today is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 06:38 AM   #13
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

I don't know why they made a point of saying they couldn't afford CGI since so much of the film is done old school.

Then again CGI can be cheap and easy when someone volunteers to do it for free, and no so cheap when you pay people to model, animate and render. If they already had a camera slide to do the motion-control thing, a model might not actually cost any more than CG,I and possibly less.
__________________
* * *
“The absence of limitations is the enemy of art.”
― Orson Welles
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 12 2013, 09:15 AM   #14
J. Allen
Squeaky Clean
 
J. Allen's Avatar
 
Location: United States
Send a message via ICQ to J. Allen Send a message via AIM to J. Allen Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to J. Allen Send a message via Yahoo to J. Allen
Re: "C" Not a fanfilm, but a low-budget film with a different approach

I rather enjoyed it, and hope that there will be another one. I'd like to see where they're going, and learn a little bit more about where they've been and how it got to the point of a mutiny.

Also, LOVED the music and effects! I felt like someone put me in the driver's seat of a classic Tron movie.
__________________
:: :: ::
Visit Brony Kingdom, where all of your wildest dreams will come true.
:: :: ::

Rainbow Dash Buys A Ford Pinto, A Short Story by LotusTeaDragon
J. Allen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:47 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.