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Old March 9 2013, 08:45 PM   #706
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Ringo Starr movie. You've got to like their sense of humor and perspective about everything.
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Old March 9 2013, 08:48 PM   #707
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Well, Ringo does have a sci-fi heritage....of sorts....

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Old March 10 2013, 04:03 PM   #708
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I do wonder how JJ will get on with coming into a production that he does not have full control over. Lucas is clearly going to be attending meetings and speaking up about what he thinks should happen because it is very much his baby and he is protective of it. In addition to this many positions of producer & writers etc have already been taken up by people appointed by disney and lucasfilm.

JJ is used to having full control over his Star Trek movies and can write & mould them into exactly what his vision is from the ground up. I dont think he will get this freedom on Star Wars.
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Old March 10 2013, 04:06 PM   #709
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What this means for Star Wars fans is that JJ will be reigned in somewhat and probably his Star Wars movie will resemble Empire Strikes Back as closely as possible in a similar way that Super 8 resembled late 70s/early 80s Spielberg.

This would be in contrast to what we have got with Star Trek XI and XII (frantic, fast pace, adrenaline rush.. quick cuts, tight editing, fast pans etc ADHD) because JJ wont be allowed to do that ????
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Old March 10 2013, 04:14 PM   #710
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Flake wrote: View Post
I do wonder how JJ will get on with coming into a production that he does not have full control over. Lucas is clearly going to be attending meetings and speaking up about what he thinks should happen because it is very much his baby and he is protective of it. In addition to this many positions of producer & writers etc have already been taken up by people appointed by disney and lucasfilm.

JJ is used to having full control over his Star Trek movies and can write & mould them into exactly what his vision is from the ground up. I dont think he will get this freedom on Star Wars.

That is precisely the scenario I'm hoping for on this this film.

It's not Abram's vision. He's just the next guy after Kershner and Marquand.
And who's to say he'll even be involved beyond Episode VII?
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Old March 10 2013, 05:18 PM   #711
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After "Punch it" cross-pollinating, a Star Wars character making "Make it so" or "Engage" cool again, will restore karma to the multiverse.
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Old March 10 2013, 06:23 PM   #712
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Maybe somebody will perform the Jedi Mind Meld.
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Old March 10 2013, 07:26 PM   #713
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Star Wars with lens flares. I am curious how it will look like.

There are already some jokes about it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...psf3fbd089.jpg
http://pic.driber.net/up/2012/jtgbtb...lens-flare.jpg
Ah, lens flare? Witty and fresh.

Yet deserving, especially considering JJ's doubling-down on lens-flare in recent comments. Certainly there's lots to be critical about in Star Wars as it is, considering how shabbily Lucas handled the prequels.

Lucas and JJ seem to be cut from the same cloth as far as being stubborn in doing things their own way and not listening to criticism. That's fine if you like their natural proclivities, otherwise it's highly annoying.
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Old March 10 2013, 07:33 PM   #714
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mos6507 wrote: View Post
The Mirrorball Man wrote: View Post
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Star Wars with lens flares. I am curious how it will look like.

There are already some jokes about it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...psf3fbd089.jpg
http://pic.driber.net/up/2012/jtgbtb...lens-flare.jpg
Ah, lens flare? Witty and fresh.

Yet deserving, especially considering JJ's doubling-down on lens-flare in recent comments.
To which comments do you refer? Could you post a link?
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Old March 10 2013, 07:44 PM   #715
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Lucas and JJ seem to be cut from the same cloth as far as being stubborn in doing things their own way and not listening to criticism. That's fine if you like their natural proclivities, otherwise it's highly annoying.
You could say the same thing about Stanley Kubrick, I don't see how that's a bad trait for a filmmaker.
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Old March 10 2013, 07:48 PM   #716
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Lucas being a stubborn, detail-obsessed filmmaker also led to American Graffiti, Episode IV: A New Hope and - as producer - Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Being a stubborn sunnuvabitch isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they're capable of producing terrific screen product I say let them be stubborn. It never hurts to encourage advice and a more open and democratic atmosphere on a set but it's not a guarantee that the finished product will be any better.

The first Flintstones film with John Goodman had dozens of writers and input and participation across the board and look what all that democracy and diversity of opinion got us.
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Old March 10 2013, 08:18 PM   #717
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mos6507 wrote: View Post
The Mirrorball Man wrote: View Post
Cake wrote: View Post
Star Wars with lens flares. I am curious how it will look like.

There are already some jokes about it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...psf3fbd089.jpg
http://pic.driber.net/up/2012/jtgbtb...lens-flare.jpg
Ah, lens flare? Witty and fresh.

Yet deserving, especially considering JJ's doubling-down on lens-flare in recent comments. Certainly there's lots to be critical about in Star Wars as it is, considering how shabbily Lucas handled the prequels.

Lucas and JJ seem to be cut from the same cloth as far as being stubborn in doing things their own way and not listening to criticism. That's fine if you like their natural proclivities, otherwise it's highly annoying.
Good for them. Creators of artistic endeavours owe NOTHING to their "critics". NOT. A. THING. The critics are free to be unhappy with what they get, but they should not expect to be catered to. The audience has ZERO ownership of a creative product. They have the choice to like or dislike what is presented to them. They have the right to say why they like or dislike it. They have ZERO rights in terms of having their expectations met. That is entirely up to the creator.
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Old March 10 2013, 08:29 PM   #718
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The audience has ZERO ownership of a creative product. They have the choice to like or dislike what is presented to them. They have the right to say why they like or dislike it. They have ZERO rights in terms of having their expectations met. That is entirely up to the creator.
Bullseye.

Star Wars, Star Trek and other creations of the entertainment industry are not the public domain possessions of everybody in the audience. If you can't stand what the creator of a film, television series, work or literature or piece of music made then that's your right to say it sucks and has no redeeming qualities, but it wasn't the creator's duty to cater to your tastes.

Like George Lucas and some of his directing efforts or not, but a long time ago he said in bold, no-nonsense language that he was making Star Wars movies the way he wanted to make them and to meet his own desires and sensibilities. If the audience loved them, that was wonderful. If they hated them, he'd be disappointed. But at the end of the day they were HIS films and he answered to nobody but his own expectations and wishes.

George doesn't really "owe" the audience anything. Neither does J.J. They'll make the films they think will be fun and exciting and when they're finished they'll present them to the public for consumption. Naturally, they'd prefer it if you liked their movies but if you don't....that's not their problem. You didn't write it. You didn't foot the production costs. You weren't on the set almost every single day sitting behind the cameras. You're the audience....period.
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Old March 10 2013, 11:21 PM   #719
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Ringo Starr movie. You've got to like their sense of humor and perspective about everything.
Keith Moon would be a better fit for JJ. More potential for 'sposhuns and lensflare.
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Old March 10 2013, 11:26 PM   #720
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It'd be the greatest film about a hotel party ever filmed.

Just imagine the 3-D IMAX effects when the TV set hits the street below.
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