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Old March 10 2013, 03:00 PM   #1
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The Life And Scandalous Times Of John Nathan-Turner

Oh dear. Let's hope the Daily Mail don't get a look at this book. Hardly the publicity the BBC would be looking for in the 50th Anniversary year.

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/03/10/jn-t...turner-review/
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Old March 10 2013, 03:10 PM   #2
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Sounds like a good book, I'll look out for it.
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Old March 10 2013, 03:16 PM   #3
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Can't say I care about the man's sex life one way or the other, everybody has their demons and society's obsession with celebrity's sex lives is trivial and warped. He produced Seasons 18, 25 and 26 which are three of my favourites so he'll always be somebody I admire. Under him the show took a harder science-fiction edge which is preferable to the light, celebrity-orientated entertainment under RTD.
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Old March 10 2013, 03:26 PM   #4
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Dead men cant defend themselves, I don't see any point in that kind of book. Their might have been issues with his tenure as producer, but like DalekJim said under his reign we got classics like Remembrance of the Daleks, Ghostlight, Curse of Fenric & Survival. And probably others I've not watched yet.
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Old March 10 2013, 03:36 PM   #5
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Yup. Season 26 is my favourite Doctor Who season and I trust Ian Levine about as much as I'd trust Emperor Palpatine on his period.
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Old March 10 2013, 04:02 PM   #6
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Doesn't sound significantly worse than the way Gene Roddenberry behaved. He cast actresses on the show for no other reason than that he wanted to sleep with them (notably the yeoman in the second pilot who was featured in publicity photos as if she were a major cast member but whose entire speaking part consisted of only four syllables), and had multiple affairs going on at once. And he had his share of objectionable behavior on the production side of things as well, like taking credit for other people's work. The only real difference is that Roddenberry's sexual preferences weren't as stigmatized or outside the mainstream at the time.

I hadn't known JN-T was gay. Interesting that both the last producer of the original series and the first producer of the new one were gay. It makes me wonder if other producers were. There is arguably something "queer," to use that term in the sense embraced by the gay community, about the Doctor -- a flamboyant outsider with an unconventional lifestyle, associating mostly with young women but showing no romantic interest in them. (Though it might be belaboring the point to attempt an analogy between the TARDIS and a closet.) The entertainment industry has historically attracted a lot of GLBT talent, and it stands to reason that a lot of them might've found Doctor Who particularly appealing. But since that sort of thing wasn't openly discussed back then, there may be a lot of that aspect of DW history that remains hidden.
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Old March 10 2013, 04:07 PM   #7
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To be fair to the writer, if the review is right that aspect of the book is quite small.
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Old March 10 2013, 05:12 PM   #8
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To be fair to the writer, if the review is right that aspect of the book is quite small.
That won't stop Murdoch and the Tabloid Scum from having a field day with it. Anything to attack the BBC with and as the Jimmy Savile saga showed it doesn't matter how many decades in the past it happened.
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Old March 10 2013, 05:38 PM   #9
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To be fair to the writer, if the review is right that aspect of the book is quite small.
That won't stop Murdoch and the Tabloid Scum from having a field day with it. Anything to attack the BBC with and as the Jimmy Savile saga showed it doesn't matter how many decades in the past it happened.

Yeah? And? If people self-censor their creative endeavours because of the Daily Wail and Sky, we really are fucked.
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Old March 10 2013, 05:46 PM   #10
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Yeah? And? If people self-censor their creative endeavours because of the Daily Wail and Sky, we really are fucked.
Or JNT could have kept his dick in his pants when he was at work. Or is that too radical an idea?
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Old March 10 2013, 06:11 PM   #11
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Yeah? And? If people self-censor their creative endeavours because of the Daily Wail and Sky, we really are fucked.
Or JNT could have kept his dick in his pants when he was at work. Or is that too radical an idea?
But he didn't, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Old March 10 2013, 06:24 PM   #12
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Or JNT could have kept his dick in his pants when he was at work. Or is that too radical an idea?
John Barrowman could have too.
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Old March 10 2013, 06:31 PM   #13
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I admire. Under him the show took a harder science-fiction edge which is preferable to the light, celebrity-orientated entertainment under RTD.
JNT was also critized for bringing in big name guest stars and that hard edged science ficiton ended when Bidmead left teh show IMO.
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Old March 10 2013, 06:31 PM   #14
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Although in Barrowman's case it's a whole different kind of willy-out-ness...
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JNT was also critized for bringing in big name guest stars
I actually thought Nicholas Parsons in Curse of Fenric was terrific.
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