What is more embarrassing?

[scotpens]

HaplessCrewman wrote:

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Why can't people tell that, in this instance, the audience is laughing at Captain Kirk?

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as Shatner's been laughing at himself for the last 25 years.

Takeru wrote:

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Should HAVE! I'm sorry, I'm usually not a grammar nazi and god knows I make enough mistakes myself but this "would of, should of, could of" crap is like cancer growing through the internet, it has to be stopped, it's just wrong, it doesn't even make sense.

Hear, hear!

(Not "here, here." That's how you call a pet.)

[HaventGotALife]

William Shatner is 81 years old. Leave him alone. I bet you won't look that good at 81.

[Dale Sams]

The only people who laugh at Shatner anymore are ****ing idiots who probably never had a clue. You tell them I said so.

[_C_]

^I concur. Actors age. People age. I think it would be worse if they tried to use makeup or CGI to try and make him look like he did back in his younger days.

[JustKate]

I don't understand why anybody found that stuff "embarrassing." I accept that some did, if you say so, but I don't understand why. All shows have good moments and bad ones, and so long as the good ones greatly outweigh the bad ones (which is the case in nearly all Trek), I don't see what there is to be embarrassed about. If a show is bad enough to be embarrassing, why not just quit being a fan?

[-Brett-]

While the first looks ridiculously bad, no one outside of hardcore Trekkies ever saw it. There was a reason the show was being cancelled, after all.

[HaplessCrewman]

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HaplessCrewman wrote:

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Why can't people tell that, in this instance, the audience is laughing at Captain Kirk?

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as Shatner's been laughing at himself for the last 25 years.

Nothing wrong with Shatner laughing at himself - it's the laughing at the character of Captain Kirk that I find unfortunate.

[Atticus]

HaplessCrewman wrote:

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Nothing wrong with Shatner laughing at himself - it's the laughing at the character of Captain Kirk that I find unfortunate.

Why? He's a fictional character. I'm sure he won't mind.

[DalekJim]

Never been embarrassed to be a Trekkie. All the fuckwits around me like reality TV and soaps instead, they should be embarrassed.

Everybody I know thinks of me as the Doctor Who and Star Trek guy. Rather support these than any dumb sports team.

[Bry_Sinclair]

It was embarrassing trying to shoehorn in a TNG element into a terrible episode of ENT.

[Mojochi]

Shatner has earned the right to wear that uniform any damn time he wants, for any reason. He can be buried in the effing thing as far as I'm concerned

The Frakes/Sirtis thing still makes my stomach turn a bit

[LobsterAfternoon]

I think Sirtis still looks good. Frakes has let himself go, but he mostly directs now, no? No need to look like he did when he was 30.

[StalwartUK]

I've always wondered why they couldn't show Riker and Troi on the USS Titan or something. At least then they wouldn't have to pretend they were younger than they really were. Probably cheaper to show the Enterprise-D (not to mention more nostalgic) than having to design a new ship.

As for Shatner, as long as it comes with a paycheck I don't think he minds much.

[HaplessCrewman]

Atticus wrote:

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Why? He's a fictional character. I'm sure he won't mind.

You're talking about a character that brings down alien civilizations because he does not agree with their world view. See Return of the Archons, The Apple, etc. I daresay he would mind, sir!

[Lance]

StalwartUK wrote:

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I've always wondered why they couldn't show Riker and Troi on the USS Titan or something. At least then they wouldn't have to pretend they were younger than they really were. Probably cheaper to show the Enterprise-D (not to mention more nostalgic) than having to design a new ship.

I've often thought this myself. Certainly I hate the useless attempts to shoehorn it into an existing TNG episode framework. If it had been set on the Titan they could have simply had Riker facing a brand new crisis of confidence and looking for answers in the holodeck, it didn't have to be the Pegasus incident in TNG season seven. Structurally the episode would have been exactly the same.

I think you're right. They were going for the nostalgia angle. But (for me at least) it ended up being a fail. The more they tried to convince me, the less convinced I actually was...