Full Theatrical Trailer with "G.I. Joe 2"

[DalekJim]

BillJ wrote:

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Many of the things you hold against the latest film were in TWOK as well and many fans believed TWOK wasn't "true" Star Trek.

Wrath of Khan has thematic depth, strong characterisation and a sense of timing, patience and maturity to its storytelling. Compare the Kobayashi Maru test in both films. Tells you everything you need to know about why I vastly prefer STII.

Or compare Khan to Nero as villains...

[BillJ]

DalekJim wrote:

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Or compare Khan to Nero as villains...

Both were played by scene chewers and had no real reason to be mad at the people they were mad at.

Really, Khan's reason for wanting revenge was Kirk didn't babysit him.

They're both entertaining movies made thirty years apart with differences in audience expectations and technology.

[DalekJim]

You seriously think Khan is as bad as Nero!?

[BillJ]

DalekJim wrote:

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You seriously think Khan is as bad as Nero!?

I think Montalban was the better actor. But both performances were covered in cheese and the characters both had weak motivations.

Honestly, Kruge was the Trek movie villain with the most straight-forward motivation. He wanted to acquire a weapon to gain power.

[James T. Vader]

DalekJim wrote:

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You seriously think Khan is as bad as Nero!?

His motivations were. Khan fully accepted the role to build life on Ceti Alpha Five, but Six blew up and killed Marla, and Khan got mad at Kirk for the planet blowing up and killing her. Spock tried to help Nero save Romulus but was too late. Nero blamed spock for Romulus blowing up.

[Opus]

DalekJim wrote:

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Wrath of Khan has thematic depth, strong characterisation and a sense of timing, patience and maturity to its storytelling. Compare the Kobayashi Maru test in both films. Tells you everything you need to know about why I vastly prefer STII.

Yikes! You're making STII out to be Citizen Khan.

It's not.

[DalekJim]

Obviously it's not a patch on Orson Welles' films such as Chimes at Midnight, Othello, Lady From Shanghai, Citizen Kane, Touch of Evil or F For Fake but it's still a very good adventure movie.

Wrath of Khan is a smart action film. It isn't loud or obnoxious and has just enough depth to get you hooked in to the story. Nicholas Meyer really understood how to make a great blockbuster with both his Star Trek films.

[KirkianLogic]

Devon wrote:

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According to TrekMovie.com, the full Theatrical Trailer for "Star Trek Into Darkness" will be attached to G.I. Joe on March 29, will clock in around 2:20 and will contain significantly new footage.

There is also an alternate trailer coming out this weekend with "Oz The Great and Powerful."

Read all about it here: http://trekmovie.com/2013/03/07/excl...with-gi-joe-2/

GI Joe and Oz the Great?! Ugh.

BillJ wrote:

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Both were played by scene chewers and had no real reason to be mad at the people they were mad at.

Really, Khan's reason for wanting revenge was Kirk didn't babysit him.

They're both entertaining movies made thirty years apart with differences in audience expectations and technology.

Actually, Khan was mad at Kirk for killing -- however indirectly -- his wife. I'd say that is a good enough reason to hold a grudge for ten+ years.

Nero was just.... deluded and mad. And a bad actor to boot.

DalekJim wrote:

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Obviously it's not a patch on Orson Welles' films such as Chimes at Midnight, Othello, Lady From Shanghai, Citizen Kane, Touch of Evil or F For Fake but it's still a very good adventure movie.

Wrath of Khan is a smart action film. It isn't loud or obnoxious and has just enough depth to get you hooked in to the story. Nicholas Meyer really understood how to make a great blockbuster with both his Star Trek films.

Please don't compare STII to STVI.

Just remember, STVI gave us Uhura trying to speak Klingonese with help from a dictionary. I think Meyer's Trek prowess is vastly overestimated by fans with TUC.

[DalekJim]

KirkianLogic wrote:

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Nero was just.... deluded and mad. And a bad actor to boot.

He should have been fired from the set of Star Trek 2009 for this line delivery alone. Eric Bana has given superb performances in other films though.

KirkianLogic wrote:

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Please don't compare STII to STVI.

Just remember, STVI gave us Uhura trying to speak Klingonese with help from a dictionary. I think Meyer's Trek prowess is vastly overestimated by fans with TUC.

I see Star Trek VI as a major return to form after the lightweight casual-orientated Voyage Home and fun yet utter mess of Final Frontier.

[KirkianLogic]

^LOL! Are there more YT vids that pull dialogue and scenes out like that from JJTrek-2009? If so, link me, please

[M'Sharak]

KirkianLogic wrote:

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GI Joe and Oz the Great?! Ugh.

KirkianLogic wrote:

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Actually, Khan was mad at Kirk for killing -- however indirectly -- his wife. I'd say that is a good enough reason to hold a grudge for ten+ years.

Nero was just.... deluded and mad. And a bad actor to boot.

KirkianLogic wrote:

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Please don't compare STII to STVI.

Just remember, STVI gave us Uhura trying to speak Klingonese with help from a dictionary. I think Meyer's Trek prowess is vastly overestimated by fans with TUC.

KirkianLogic, please try not to post more than twice in a row in a given thread.

For responding to several people at once, you can click the Multi-Quote ( ) button on each post and then click Reply - the board software will combine them into a single post. (I'll fix this one for you. )

[KirkianLogic]

Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry... and thanks

[The Keeper]

I am not thrilled at GIJ2 being the film the first full trailer is attaching to because I have absolutely no dream, hope or desire to see this one theatrically.

Oh well, it'll be on the netz soon enough.

[King Daniel]

Bootleg phone cam recordings on youtube are part of the experience!