Marvel Now/ReEvolution Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

[Icemizer]

^Its Franklin Richards all over again ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

[Guy Gardener]

Kitty left the eye of 616 at least three times.

According to Byrne in She Hulk explaining the Blond Phantom, if they're not writing about you, you're ageing and can even die of old age waiting for someone to start writing about you.

Kitty had her 16th birthday in Excalibur 15 or 16.

Kitty at boarding school, issue 32, had a cover date of December 1990, which as we all know doesn't mean December 1990 at all.

http://www.comics.org/series/3648/covers/

[Nick Ryder]

Yeah really! I mean geez wasn't Franklin supposed to be Kitty's boyfriend in Days of Future Past? Talk about really robbing the cradle then huh? Who would have thought that a character that was born in what? the 70s? Would STILL be a little kid even in the 21st Century?

Val I have less a problem with her being young -since she really only came into the comic in the 00's. But the fact that Franklin is still only maybe a couple years older than Val Richards is starting to push crediblity.

It's like some characters are allowed to grow and age and mature and others aren't. Even Johnny Storm, who is supposed to be pretty close to Spider-Man's age is usually either written as being far younger or slightly older- now that they had the time skip with his time in the Negative Zone I suppose he IS older now - but still acts like a kid.

Seems like Sue is really the only one that's actually grown up some - since even other super heroines sort of see as the 'mom' and other super heroes as the MILF...

It does always sort of bother me how 'young' characters are never really allowed to age and mature - at this point, we really could have, and should have been reading about Spider-Man's son and/or daughter. I think that's why I used to enjoy Spider-Girl so much, it let Peter finally grow up and put the focus on the next generation. While I wasn't completely happy with the 'next gen' of some heroes - looking at you J2 with your stupid Kurt Cobain like shirt tied around your waist.

Buuuuut - I do hope that when Doc Ock gets Pete his doctorate, that sticks for a while. I truly truly hope that Peter sort of takes some of his Superior business as a lesson like "well I didn't 'waste' my life, but... y'know this wasn't the worst thing to happen after all." And uses the second chance he's given to continue what Otto started with his life. Heck, I could even see Peter maybe starting up his own little think tank thing - I mean he's already a part of the Future Foundation sorta kinda - I'd love to actually see him pushed past that 'former teen hero' thing and maybe start training others. Maybe even and this is something I've kind of thought about since the old Civil War thing - basically in some ways he becomes the mentor and 'New Tinkerer' to the next generation of super heroes. Maybe slightly more accessible than Mr. Fantastic and Tony Stark. Like even before 700's events he was basically using villan tech for good uses. It would be kind of cool to see Peter Parker even take on a new role as a "Good Guy's Tinkerer" - someone needs a new weapon or tool or upgrade to their costume, they go to Peter Parker. Which also helps keep focus off his activities as Spider-Man since even if he's seen using something in public, everyone knows that he's the tech guy to the super tights. Maybe even make Tony Stark a bit jealous as the 'go to' tech guy. Heck, even have Mary Jane as his costume designer.

[Allyn Gibson]

Nick Ryder wrote:

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What I'm still trying to figure out with Kitty Pryde is - how old is she supposed to be now? I mean I get that she's an "adult" now- but let's face it, Kitty was "Acting" like an adult for a loooong time now. Heck during a good part of Excalibur she was still technically a minor - there was even a subplot during the aftermath of Fall of the Mutants when she was basically foster'd to Courtney Ross that she still had to go to school and even went to this posh boarding school. And that was in the mid-late 80s.

So let's assume that she was maaaaaaybe 17-18 by the 90s - since by the end of the 90s she was doing stuff for SHIELD and was "off to college".

Kitty's age became an issue during Warren Ellis' Excalibur run when Ellis wanted to develop a sexual relationship between Kitty and Pete Wisdom. Marvel decided that Kitty was old enough to lose her virginity to the thirtysomething Wisdom; Ellis was told to make it "tasteful," and even then their sexual relationship was less explicit than Ellis intended. (It was clear they were "doing the deed" from dialogue, but they couldn't be shown in bed together.)

[Kestrel]

Which seems to have been ignored by Whedon's run on Astonishing - either that, or Wisdom just didn't do it for like her first time with Piotr.

I assume Kitty and Spidey and other "teen/young adult" heroes are allowed to "age up" to a certain point - and then are arrested there, or at least their aging is incremental compared to where it was.

[Nick Ryder]

Which is kind of sad really - I mean I know Spider-Man was originally intended to be the "loner, the sad sack, but he's a hero and does what's right" but y'know that was 50 years ago...

Considering that the MU only sort of 're-jiggers' things and doesn't wipe away decades of continuity - lookin' at YOU DC - to keep their characters 'youthful' it's sort of a double edge sword. While I wouldn't want to watch a 60 year old Peter Parker, I WOULD be down to seeing a grown adult Peter doing adult things and standing side by side with Cap and Iron Man and the others and not being looked at 'who the hell let this goofy kid in with all of us adults?'

That's why I always supported NEW or legacy 'teen'/'youth' characters like the original New Warriors and the MC2 line and even to an extent X-Force since it seemed like all of them grew up a bit.

I'm honestly quite happy to see Kitty assert her womanhood lately, finally. Where she's still young maybe, but she's mature and adult enough to say stand with Storm and Psylocke as a peer and not 'remember when we bought your first real bra?' kind of age. I'm even happy to see that younger characters like Rahne Sinclair who was younger than Kitty even for most of her time in New Mutants, grow up.

But it seems like for every one character that's allowed to grow up, there's at least one that's left permanently in one point. "Forever 21" isn't just a store to them, it's their life.

[Fist McStrongpunch]

Officially, at this point there's only been 14-15 years since the Fantastic 4 debuted, kicking off Marvel's silver age.

[Turtletrekker]

Nick Ryder wrote:

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Yeah really! I mean geez wasn't Franklin supposed to be Kitty's boyfriend in Days of Future Past? Talk about really robbing the cradle then huh? Who would have thought that a character that was born in what? the 70s? Would STILL be a little kid even in the 21st Century?

No. Kitty was with Colossus in DoFP. Franklin was Rachel's boyfriend.

[Guy Gardener]

Future Frank Richards was up a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G with future Rachel Grey.

[JoeZhang]

Fist McStrongpunch wrote:

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Officially, at this point there's only been 14-15 years since the Fantastic 4 debuted, kicking off Marvel's silver age.

Which for a while until they deaged him and made him a gulf war veteran meant that The Punisher was the first 'hero' of the modern age.

[Guy Gardener]

which means that the first 90 something issues before franklin was born in Fntastic Four Annual 8, was 5 years of Marvel time?

This is cool

http://zak-site.com/Great-American-N...klin_chart.gif

[Nerys Myk]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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which means that the first 90 something issues before franklin was born in Fntastic Four Annual 8, was 5 years of Marvel time?

This is cool

http://zak-site.com/Great-American-N...klin_chart.gif

Wouldn't that mean only five years have passed since Franklin's birth and the present day and everything from that point on took place in that five years? Also everything prior to Franklin's birth takes place over 10 years.

[Nick Ryder]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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which means that the first 90 something issues before franklin was born in Fntastic Four Annual 8, was 5 years of Marvel time?

This is cool

http://zak-site.com/Great-American-N...klin_chart.gif

Wow that's pathetic! LOL

[Guy Gardener]

Obviously I thought he was 10 in the here and now, no matter what that stoopid graph says... And it says that very recently that Franklin was 10 years old. My mental image of Franklin just hasn't caught up with these modern times.

Fellow member of the Future Foundation Alex Power was maybe 12 in Power Pack when Franklin was 4 and a half but Alex's younger sister is living alone in California with her alien lesbian girlfriend?

Doctor and Mrs. Power.

Worst parents ever.

[Nerys Myk]

They need to send Franklin and Val to boarding school and never mention them again, before Luke Cage's kid is older than them.