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Old March 7 2013, 03:52 AM   #16
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

I doubt many other Starfleet XOs are one-man problem solvers like Mr.Spock.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:53 AM   #17
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

Still, he must be considered pretty valuable to retain him even after hijacking a starship. Who would be able to hijack a cruiser or destroyer nowadays and not be at least discharged from the service, even quietly?
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Old March 7 2013, 03:55 AM   #18
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

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I doubt many other Starfleet XOs are one-man problem solvers like Mr.Spock.
Hard to say, we didn't meet any in TOS. Could be a kickass Andorian out there who's better than Spock.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:55 AM   #19
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Still, he must be considered pretty valuable to retain him even after hijacking a starship. Who would be able to hijack a cruiser or destroyer nowadays and not be at least discharged from the service, even quietly?
Highly connected family.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:27 PM   #20
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

How many TOS officers could be the XO and chief Science officer and do both very well? Hard to tell with onscreen data, but seeing as each is a full time job you might have to be superhuman to do both excellently?
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Old March 7 2013, 08:29 PM   #21
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

Or non-human
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Old March 7 2013, 08:56 PM   #22
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

Maybe First Officer is always a position with two responsibilities. Wasn't the Antares navigator also first officer? In the TOS era, doing double-duty may be the norm.
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Old March 7 2013, 09:06 PM   #23
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

Wasn't Number One at helm or navigation on The Cage? And Gary Mitchell was a navigator in WNMHGB. (assuming he was XO)
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Old March 7 2013, 11:01 PM   #24
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Yeah, I double checked, and Tom Nellis was first officer and the navigator for Antares. Number One was at the helm and definitely first officer, too.

Frankly, in TOS "First Officer" just means the second-in-command, and the position may not come with any specific duties the way an executive officer position would. So Spock pulling double duty wouldn't be that impressive, and the scant evidence in the show points to all First Officers having a useful posting, too.

Therefore Spock probably isn't valuable just because he can do both the Science Officer and First Officer jobs simultaneously. So why can he get away with hijacking a starship without a real court martial?
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Old March 7 2013, 11:25 PM   #25
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Re: Spock's the best 1st Officer in Starfleet?

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So why can he get away with hijacking a starship without a real court martial?
Because he's a bad mother f*cker and has family in high places (Sarek, T'Pau).
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Old March 7 2013, 11:37 PM   #26
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T'Pau pulled Spock's ass out of the fire at the end of "Amok Time", but at the end of "The Menagerie", too?

Two questions occur to me:

1. Did T'Pau learn that Kirk wasn't dead? Because she saves his ass from Admiral Komack's wrath for being late to Altair. If she didn't know he was alive, then she did it for Spock, which makes you wonder how far she'd defend Spock. If he had killed Kirk, what would she say or do?

2. Did T'Pau perhaps request Enterprise be diverted to Vulcan earlier, and the request just finally got approval after they had finished there? Because how fast would the channels have to be for T'Pau to ask for Enterprise to visit Vulcan and get approval? Same day service just for her?
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Old March 7 2013, 11:38 PM   #27
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I doubt many other Starfleet XOs are one-man problem solvers like Mr.Spock.
Hard to say, we didn't meet any in TOS. Could be a kickass Andorian out there who's better than Spock.
which explains why spock edited him out of the timeline
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Old March 7 2013, 11:44 PM   #28
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T'Pau pulled Spock's ass out of the fire at the end of "Amok Time", but at the end of "The Menagerie", too?
Perhaps the Talosians requested leniency and Starfleet was inclined to grant it since you don't want a race of people who can project illusions pissed off at you?
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Old March 7 2013, 11:55 PM   #29
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Why would the Talosians care if Spock were court martialed, though? What's their benefit if Spock continues to serve? If anything, Talosians support indicates that Spock is in the pocket of a dangerous people. Unless something was happening between the UFP top brass and the Talosians...perhaps some agreement where the Talosians stop luring in starfarers to be used as slaves, and the UFP arranges for assistance, perhaps some bright Pakleds to work under Pike and Vina's direction?
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Old March 8 2013, 12:12 AM   #30
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So why can he get away with hijacking a starship without a real court martial?
Because he's a bad mother f*cker and has family in high places (Sarek, T'Pau).
He's also a complicated man, but no one understands him but his woman.
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