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Old March 7 2013, 10:29 PM   #61
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Re: After Abrams

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Whether it's on film or TV there will be more Trek. It will be in the JJverse (no going back to prime continuity folks) and may well feature new ships, cast and crew.

And it won't jump forward to the 24th century - they won't reboot TNG.

I agree with half of that. I can't imagine that they'll ever go back to the earlier continuity, but I can see somebody rebooting TNG one of these days. TNG nostalgia is bound to kick in at some point, especially as the generation that grew up on that show ends up in charge . . . . .
Shall we put £5 on it and check back in in 20 years time ?
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Old March 7 2013, 10:57 PM   #62
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After being a fan for thirty-five years, any new Trek is just gravy.
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Old March 7 2013, 10:58 PM   #63
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Everyone's assuming that the Abramsverse will be around for a long time, when there's no guarantee of that in this day and age. Both the prime and Abramsverse continuties could be gone by the end of this decade if someone else steps in after Abrams with his or her finger on the ultimate reboot button, IMO.
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Old March 7 2013, 11:11 PM   #64
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Re: After Abrams

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Everyone's assuming that the Abramsverse will be around for a long time, when there's no guarantee of that in this day and age. Both the prime and Abramsverse continuties could be gone by the end of this decade if someone else steps in after Abrams with his or her finger on the ultimate reboot button, IMO.
True, but I think they would struggle to re-reboot. There would be a resulting drop in credibility/box office.

They've got a whole NEW universe to play with - they can literally do anything the want so why not use it ? TNG DS9 and Voyager need not happen at all - there's no need for any of that.*


*Although Data's buried head will probably be found eventually. Spock Prime might even know about it - he's melded with Picard...
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Old March 7 2013, 11:31 PM   #65
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Everyone's assuming that the Abramsverse will be around for a long time, when there's no guarantee of that in this day and age. Both the prime and Abramsverse continuties could be gone by the end of this decade if someone else steps in after Abrams with his or her finger on the ultimate reboot button, IMO.
True, but I think they would struggle to re-reboot. There would be a resulting drop in credibility/box office.
I don't think so on both points. Reboots are coming faster and faster these days (often at the mandate of studio execs and producers with their own vision of how things should be), and if Kirk and the gang were recast with yet another new version of the original Enterprise a few years after Star Trek XIII, people would go to see them if it's exciting enough.
They've got a whole NEW universe to play with - they can literally do anything the want so why not use it ?
They could do that with a total reboot too, and do even more things that Abrams didn't. I think with Star Trek XI, the door has been opened for Trek to be continually reinvented or reimagined every so often (perhaps at 10 to 12 year intervals).
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Old March 7 2013, 11:50 PM   #66
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Whether it's on film or TV there will be more Trek. It will be in the JJverse (no going back to prime continuity folks) and may well feature new ships, cast and crew.

And it won't jump forward to the 24th century - they won't reboot TNG.

I agree with half of that. I can't imagine that they'll ever go back to the earlier continuity, but I can see somebody rebooting TNG one of these days. TNG nostalgia is bound to kick in at some point, especially as the generation that grew up on that show ends up in charge . . . . .
Shall we put £5 on it and check back in in 20 years time ?
Let me check my retirement fund . . . .
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Old March 8 2013, 12:59 AM   #67
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I still feel very certain that TNG will some day see a reboot.
I do too. But there's no way in hell you'll see a "traditionalist" in charge of the franchise ever again.
And you just love to revel in that, don't you?
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Old March 8 2013, 01:01 AM   #68
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After being a fan for thirty-five years, any new Trek is just gravy.
That sounds like a good definition of long-suffering Trek fans who have embraced JJ Trek just because they want Trek in any shape or form it's dished out to them.
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Old March 8 2013, 01:10 AM   #69
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After being a fan for thirty-five years, any new Trek is just gravy.
That sounds like a good definition of long-suffering Trek fans who have embraced JJ Trek just because they want Trek in any shape or form it's dished out to them.
It's nice that its around, but if they quit making Trek tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Much like it didn't bother me when they pulled the plug in 2005.
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Old March 8 2013, 01:13 AM   #70
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I still feel very certain that TNG will some day see a reboot.
I do too. But there's no way in hell you'll see a "traditionalist" in charge of the franchise ever again.
And you just love to revel in that, don't you?
Revel in what exactly? That folks who made Trek for ten years too long are no longer part of the franchises long-term future?
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Old March 8 2013, 01:20 AM   #71
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Abrams Trek is disposable. One day Star Trek will return to television. Whether it will have a stronger emphasis on sci-fi storytelling or continue in the current light-weight, frothy direction has yet to be seen. The tone and format of current Trek bothers me more than the timeline change. I'd take a more intelligent show in this timeline than a dumb show set in the proper timeline.
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Old March 8 2013, 01:27 AM   #72
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Abrams Trek is disposable.
All Trek is disposable. It's entertainment.
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Old March 8 2013, 01:40 AM   #73
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Well, I think the TV show had a lot more substance to it and didn't have to throw lens flare and loud noises at me to put me in a docile enough state to accept it.

The scary thing right now about Trek is how defeated everybody is. Half the fandom hate Abrams' take on Star Trek but nobody seems to see it getting any better.

Well, I actually do. A future TV series is inevitable and I reckon enough time has passed for it to do well enough in the ratings if they approach it right.
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Old March 8 2013, 01:50 AM   #74
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Of course a TV show is going to have more depth to it. They have more time to flesh out the story they want to tell. I'm surprised that you go on about getting an 'A' on a film dissertation and yet to continue to overlook this very basic fact.

If you don't like the Abrams film, that's fine. But to say that Trek fans are some how defeated because Abrams Trek is popular is pure non-sense. You try to project your dislike onto the fanbase which actually seems to have embraced the Abrams take on the original series to one degree or another.
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Old March 8 2013, 02:04 AM   #75
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Well, I think the TV show had a lot more substance to it and didn't have to throw lens flare and loud noises at me to put me in a docile enough state to accept it.
Yeah, thats what happened. Okay, maybe to you, but not me. I'll let others speak for themselves rather than make some sort of blanket statement.

The scary thing right now about Trek is how defeated everybody is. Half the fandom hate Abrams' take on Star Trek but nobody seems to see it getting any better.
Who's defeated? A few doom and gloomers on the internet? Half? No, not half. Probably not even a quarter. Even one percent might be way too high.

Well, I actually do. A future TV series is inevitable and I reckon enough time has passed for it to do well enough in the ratings if they approach it right.
Finally something that makes sense.
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