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Old March 1 2013, 01:56 AM   #1996
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Either keep firing or run, don't just sit about in the same location talking about what you're gonna do, sheesh.
I think the justification is that Picard feels the need to show Q that they're ready for anything. It does kill the tension completely, though, and it's a pretty thin rationalisation. It's clear almost from the start that the Enterprise is completely outgunned and even if Picard is trying to show off, surely someone else would at least suggest just high-tailing it.
Picard had thought they had damaged the Cube enough to not have to worry about it. It was Picard simply being being stupidly arrogant and overconfident, exactly what Q accused humans of being earlier in the episode.
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Old March 1 2013, 02:47 AM   #1997
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Either keep firing or run, don't just sit about in the same location talking about what you're gonna do, sheesh.
I think the justification is that Picard feels the need to show Q that they're ready for anything. It does kill the tension completely, though, and it's a pretty thin rationalisation. It's clear almost from the start that the Enterprise is completely outgunned and even if Picard is trying to show off, surely someone else would at least suggest just high-tailing it.
Picard had thought they had damaged the Cube enough to not have to worry about it. It was Picard simply being being stupidly arrogant and overconfident, exactly what Q accused humans of being earlier in the episode.
Pretty much, at least RUN while you have the conference....its just killed 18 of your people. Sheesh.
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Old March 3 2013, 04:10 PM   #1998
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Finally saw Q-Who

Aside from the re-mastering, seeing this ep again after all this time made me realised just how padded it was....
It's a lot talkier than I remember, particularly the start when you have Ensign Sonia Gomez throwing her hot chocolate all over Picard, Picard going missing and then Q and Guinan coming to a head all before we get anywhere near the Borg....

Also it may be an 80s thing but I can't get over the Enterprise suffering serious damage from being carved up by the Borg, the Enterprise being fortunate enough to shoot it into submission then Picard standing there and ordering everyone into a conference.
Either keep firing or run, don't just sit about in the same location talking about what you're gonna do, sheesh.
I also think this episode hasnt aged well, because it is too static. The action of the story isnt really presented well on the screen.

The actors barely leave their designated spot on the set, they just stand around. Some action is going on and the actors just stand there, their arms hanging down, and watch it detached while the stunt people do their stuff.

But "Best of both Worlds" suffers from this too, I also think this two parter hasnt aged well because of that. The action of TNG is just too static and too slow.

The late DS9 and VOY have managed to present action much better than TNG ever did.
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Old March 4 2013, 07:15 PM   #1999
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Well yeah, compared to today's TV shows, TNG does appear awfully stagnant visually now.

But the stories for Q Who and BOBW are more than strong enough to make up for that, I think (and the incredibly moody and exciting music scores certainly don't hurt either).
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Old March 5 2013, 02:53 PM   #2000
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Not sure if anyone posted this. An hour audio podcast interview with Robertt Meyer Burnett on Screen time from December.

http://5by5.tv/screentime/16


Plus my season 2 Database:



The updated database from bluray, I hadn't seen some of those episodes in years:


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Old March 5 2013, 10:19 PM   #2001
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I think the justification is that Picard feels the need to show Q that they're ready for anything. It does kill the tension completely, though, and it's a pretty thin rationalisation. It's clear almost from the start that the Enterprise is completely outgunned and even if Picard is trying to show off, surely someone else would at least suggest just high-tailing it.
Picard had thought they had damaged the Cube enough to not have to worry about it. It was Picard simply being being stupidly arrogant and overconfident, exactly what Q accused humans of being earlier in the episode.
Pretty much, at least RUN while you have the conference....its just killed 18 of your people. Sheesh.

I kind of felt this way at first but I had access to more knowledge than Picard..who knew the Borg would not give off a hint of the regenerating of ship and hive.
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Old March 5 2013, 11:26 PM   #2002
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Seems a pretty strong reaction to slightly different shots. Really, saying this isn't the "original" footage, wanting to contact people involved in the show and this project to ask them questions about these very slightly different shots?
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. To ask, "why are the shots different?". I mean, aren't you even slightly curious as to why alternative takes have been used? I'm not fussed one way or another about the actual use of different takes, because as you rightly say the net effect on the final episode is negligible anyway. But I'd still be interested to know the story behind why they've been used over the previous ones.

Or are you saying that any kind of interest in the way the show is put together should (for some reason) be outlawed?
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Old March 7 2013, 05:57 PM   #2003
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I'm still making my way through this season, and I'm seeing more and more shots that appear to be SD resolution. I earlier mentioned the psych test inserts in The Schizoid Man. I forgot to note some subsequent examples, but last night I watched Samaritan Snare. There's a shot of Troi exiting the lift next to the main viewer and walking in front of the viewer. On the viewer, we see LaForge and the Pakleds on their ship. That shot looks SD. Is it possible that they didn't feel like re-compositing a moving shot, or couldn't find the original elements, or is it instead one of those shots using an anamorphic lens similar to the infamous shot in The Last Outpost?
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Old March 7 2013, 08:05 PM   #2004
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I'm still making my way through this season, and I'm seeing more and more shots that appear to be SD resolution. I earlier mentioned the psych test inserts in The Schizoid Man. I forgot to note some subsequent examples, but last night I watched Samaritan Snare. There's a shot of Troi exiting the lift next to the main viewer and walking in front of the viewer. On the viewer, we see LaForge and the Pakleds on their ship. That shot looks SD. Is it possible that they didn't feel like re-compositing a moving shot, or couldn't find the original elements, or is it instead one of those shots using an anamorphic lens similar to the infamous shot in The Last Outpost?

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's technically akin to that panning shot in "The Last Outpost." Maxwell can explain it ten times better, but whenever they did a pnning shot that involved green screen type stuff, the quality (even in the HD versions) was lowered.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:19 PM   #2005
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I'll forever wonder what a CBS-D Season 2 would have been like.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:31 PM   #2006
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Hmm, for some reason my reply did not post, but the short of is, yes to your last post. Anytime there are shots where the camera pans across a green screen or composited shot (i.e., the viewscreen), the resolution is lower. Maxwell can go into much more technical detail.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:38 PM   #2007
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^I can see your last post. Prior to this one I mean.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:49 PM   #2008
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Yeah I'm pretty sure it's technically akin to that panning shot in "The Last Outpost." Maxwell can explain it ten times better, but whenever they did a pnning shot that involved green screen type stuff, the quality (even in the HD versions) was lowered.
Also, it was a combined live-action/bluescreen shot. Pretty much every live-action shot in Season 2 that included a bluescreen element or optical effect (such as the bridge set with the viewscreen) was DNRed to hell, thanks to HTV not really knowing what they were doing.

One of the many examples:

Blue-screen + live-action:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_076.jpg

Live action only:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_080.jpg
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Old March 7 2013, 10:25 PM   #2009
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Yeah I'm pretty sure it's technically akin to that panning shot in "The Last Outpost." Maxwell can explain it ten times better, but whenever they did a pnning shot that involved green screen type stuff, the quality (even in the HD versions) was lowered.
Also, it was a combined live-action/bluescreen shot. Pretty much every live-action shot in Season 2 that included a bluescreen element or optical effect (such as the bridge set with the viewscreen) was DNRed to hell, thanks to HTV not really knowing what they were doing.

One of the many examples:

Blue-screen + live-action:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_076.jpg

Live action only:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_080.jpg
Right, those differences are very jarring in the Season 2 set.

But what I'm referring to is: the shot actually looks SD - the detail is lower, yet there's more digital noise (not smooth DNR) and w/ NTSC-like colors. I wish I could provide a screencap, but Trekcore hasn't posted that episode yet.
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^I can see your last post. Prior to this one I mean.
Haha, so can I now. Weird!
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