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Old March 7 2013, 05:54 AM   #6196
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Superman #17 was okay. I'm kind of glad the H'el arc is done, will be interesting to see what he will do next for the book. To be honest, I'm kind of getting this for the Bocafort artwork
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Old March 7 2013, 10:30 AM   #6197
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Looking at Rocafort's work in Superman I was struck by the thought that maybe this was the guy that should have been drawing Morrison's Action all along. He has a quirky, interesting style that I think would have meshed well with Morrison's work. He also seems to be able to keep to a schedule and inconsistent artwork has been a big detriment to Action's flow.
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Old March 7 2013, 12:29 PM   #6198
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I've never understood why they don't get an A level artist to go with Morrison.
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Old March 7 2013, 02:06 PM   #6199
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There's only so much cash to go around for each book.

And not a lot of money at all to spread so thinly when you account for how many individuals and services are required to make a printing of 30 thousand (PLUS!!) books.

Different projects have different projected potential revenue, which allows for greater or less initial capital investment.

Economics 101.

Unless Morrison "demands" someone specifically, the more money they pay Morrison, because he can ask for premium dollars... The less the rest of the poor shlubs not on a fixed rate of pay can get for pencilling, inking, editing, and then a return for their stockholders.

With obvious exceptions, books using high quality expensive talent like Morrison, can't afford "established" artists with "reputations" no matter their skill levels, because they won't work for the slice of pie left over after Morrison has Gorged himself...

This works in reverse too.

It's why the "best" artists always have shitty writers who are often themselves.
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Old March 7 2013, 02:22 PM   #6200
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Then why do we have Jim Lee and Geoff Johns, or Jim Lee and Scott Snyder, or Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo?
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Old March 7 2013, 03:48 PM   #6201
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Morales is "A" level in my book.
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Old March 7 2013, 04:57 PM   #6202
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He can be, but a lot of his Action comics work was not up to par.
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Old March 7 2013, 07:32 PM   #6203
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If writer A, and artist B, are working on title C, and random chance foottraffic lookiloos are D, when A, B, C and D are mutually exclusive, that is a lot of customers these four elements can attract.

If you have a title no one has heard of, written by an unknown and draw by a fresh face in the market, that means that all you can rely on is D and pray they start some buzz.

Then you have problems inclusiveness.

If A, B and C have the same identical loyalist fanbase, then you're anticipating the same readers counted 3 times to support the books sales, which means that there's absolutely no point putting those three together if any one of them would generate the same numbers as the three elements combined.

This was explained to me in the 80s as the John Byrne Effect. There were 60 thousand comic book readers that followed Byrne. No matter what he was drawing they bought it. Always. If a book is doing bad, you stick John Byrne's 60 thousand on task and boost the titles numbers... Well, 60 thousand LESS howeversomany of that 60 thousand who were already buying the book you just chained John to.

Then why do we have Jim Lee and Geoff Johns, or Jim Lee and Scott Snyder, or Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo?
When C is strong (The title). You have a book that is so beloved and so well marketed, that it almost doesn't matter who writes and draws it... But you do have to worry about brand marginalism. That if you put a talentless asshole hack on home plate for a bat with a sure thing, the title is going to tank and you've lost the only book that was generating good numbers.

Nurturing something that works is often as important as growing new products to stuff vacuums.
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Old March 8 2013, 12:50 AM   #6204
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Morales is A list, but his work was off after the excellent first arc of the story, even I'll admit this.

Did anyone check out the Channel 52 instalment for this week in their books? The main anchor has taken a leave of absent due to the "emotional turmoil" of reporting Damian's death last week...really? Reports in real life deal with emotional and complex stories all the time and manage to keep it together, and usually we see them right back at work at the next day. I thought that was a little overdramatic and lame to be honest. I don't like these instalments at all. Like I said before, I get why they're doing them...and they could work if they get better, but right now they're lame.
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Old March 8 2013, 03:51 AM   #6205
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He can be, but a lot of his Action comics work was not up to par.
He definitely didn't have all the time he need. But Rocafort isn't comparable to someone at Rags's level and definitely not someone you want drawing a Grant Morrison comic.
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Old March 8 2013, 03:58 AM   #6206
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Just saw the Diggle/Daniel preview for Action Comics #19 and Daniel's artwork look spectacular. I forgot how well the man can draw!
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Old March 8 2013, 07:03 AM   #6207
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Morales first arc on Action was great--give him a few issues off once and a while and he will turn in great work.

Interestingly, my wife who is a bit of an amateur artist and connoisseur detests comic book art, but for some reason took my ipad away from me when I was reading Superman 14 or 15 and commented that she absolutely loved Rocafort's art. She said that he really gives the characters personality and for the first time outside of the movies she saw Superman as a person and not a drawing. I am not sure I share her opinion but I thought that I would put it out there.
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Old March 9 2013, 01:42 AM   #6208
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I think Rochefort is really good! He was the only reason I was reading Red Hood so I'm glad he moved to Superman
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Old March 11 2013, 05:39 PM   #6209
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This looks like it will be fun...

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/batm...june-2013.html
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Old March 11 2013, 06:15 PM   #6210
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Batman zero year! been there done that! not geting! gave me something NEW
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