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Old March 5 2013, 04:33 PM   #16
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Uhura's outfit seems to be an optional variant as there were also female personnel wearing full sleeves and trousers as well.

As we saw other Starfleet outfits that didn't feature rank insignia (the space-diving outfits and Kirk's cold weather gear), rank insignia may not be that terribly important to be on every Starfleet outfit. Even in TOS, McCoy and M'Benga's surgeon tunics didn't have rank insignia, neither did Nurse Chapel's uniform, or the formal uniforms (although some braiding along the front was used to distinguish senior and flag officers, IIRC).
I thought that was because a nurse is something like an ensign, not someone particular high in the pecking order. Ensign Chekov also doesn't have rank insignia. Having no braid on the long sleeve was in TOS and is in the movie a sign of a low rank.

Personally I find it stupid, that Uhura's uniform has no rank insignia. She isn't an ensign. They should have put something on the end of her short sleeve or on her shoulder or neck.
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Old March 5 2013, 04:37 PM   #17
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Uhura's outfit seems to be an optional variant as there were also female personnel wearing full sleeves and trousers as well.

As we saw other Starfleet outfits that didn't feature rank insignia (the space-diving outfits and Kirk's cold weather gear), rank insignia may not be that terribly important to be on every Starfleet outfit. Even in TOS, McCoy and M'Benga's surgeon tunics didn't have rank insignia, neither did Nurse Chapel's uniform, or the formal uniforms (although some braiding along the front was used to distinguish senior and flag officers, IIRC).
I thought that was because a nurse is something like an ensign, not someone particular high in the pecking order. Ensign Chekov also doesn't have rank insignia. Having no braid on the long sleeve was in TOS and is in the movie a sign of a low rank.

Personally I find it stupid, that Uhura's uniform has no rank insignia. She isn't an ensign. They should have put something on the end of her short sleeve or on her shoulder or neck.
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Old March 5 2013, 09:58 PM   #18
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Uhura's outfit seems to be an optional variant as there were also female personnel wearing full sleeves and trousers as well.

As we saw other Starfleet outfits that didn't feature rank insignia (the space-diving outfits and Kirk's cold weather gear), rank insignia may not be that terribly important to be on every Starfleet outfit. Even in TOS, McCoy and M'Benga's surgeon tunics didn't have rank insignia, neither did Nurse Chapel's uniform, or the formal uniforms (although some braiding along the front was used to distinguish senior and flag officers, IIRC).
I thought that was because a nurse is something like an ensign, not someone particular high in the pecking order.
I think as a senior nurse, Chapel probably was a lieutenant, but her authority was largely confined to the sickbay and over the junior nurses.
Ensign Chekov also doesn't have rank insignia. Having no braid on the long sleeve was in TOS and is in the movie a sign of a low rank.
Enlisted crewmen also wore uniforms without rank insignia in TOS, kind of suggesting that rank stripes on the sleeves wasn't quite that important as a person's rank and position. It really would be a case of how different Starfleet is from today's navies, IMO.
Personally I find it stupid, that Uhura's uniform has no rank insignia. She isn't an ensign. They should have put something on the end of her short sleeve or on her shoulder or neck.
I think we go with the idea of uniform rank insignia being less important in Starfleet than rank & position--along with Uhura's uniform being a casual variant anyway--it works.
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Old March 5 2013, 10:13 PM   #19
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The Motion Picture Ensigns had a broken stripe to show their rank.
Only TWOK had proper officers and ratings insignia.
Pike and Spock didn't even have rank insignia on their academy uniforms.
I believe that in the new movie the delta badge is different for officers and ratings.
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Old March 7 2013, 01:47 AM   #20
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It's funny because in "The Cage", they had an enlisted chief with a broken braid on his sleeve as rank but didn't use that for the rest of TOS. Odd but shows someone did think about it that early on

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Old March 7 2013, 02:35 AM   #21
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Even in TOS, McCoy and M'Benga's surgeon tunics didn't have rank insignia, neither did Nurse Chapel's uniform, or the formal uniforms (although some braiding along the front was used to distinguish senior and flag officers, IIRC).
The actual rank was denoted by the braid. Note the differences between Captain Kirk [wide collar/main seam braid & shoulder seam piping], Commander Spock [wide collar/main seam braid only] and Lieutenant Commander McCoy [collar/main seam piping only]dress uniforms:


Commodore Mendez wore the same dress uniform as Captain Kirk in "Menagerie", evidently, there was no difference for flag officers?:


Hope this helps.
Acvtually, that was what I was talking about, although I was trying to be brief. Commodores and admirals (flag officers I mentioned earlier) wore the same dress uniforms as captains, but with the addition of more gold piping along their sleeves.
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Old March 7 2013, 09:16 AM   #22
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It looks like in WNMHGB the badge insignia showed rank and rate and not department.
"Command" was only worn by Captain and XO, "Science" by senior officers, "Services" by junior officers and crew. Captain two gold stripes, officers one gold stripe and crewmen no gold stripes
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