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Old March 7 2013, 06:50 AM   #31
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Re: Garak's Thoughts on the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor

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I think Garak might not have been that critical since he was a nationalist. How many Americans or Canadians deride the occupation of Afghanistan, where thousands of innocent civilians have died -- often in "collateral damage".
Huge numbers, actually.
Supposedly huge numbers but not enough or not with enough intensity to change the political discourse.

I know that both the Liberal and Conservative parties in Canada supported an occupation that has led to many innocents getting killed, but you don't hear about it on Canada's national news; I hear it on US news like Bill Moyers.
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Old March 7 2013, 07:28 AM   #32
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Re: Garak's Thoughts on the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor

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I think Garak might not have been that critical since he was a nationalist. How many Americans or Canadians deride the occupation of Afghanistan, where thousands of innocent civilians have died -- often in "collateral damage". Behr was trying to criticize all colonialism.
While Pres. Bush was still in the Whitehouse, about half of the Democrats. Now that Pres. Obama is in the Whitehouse, it's about half of the Republicans
I guess among the public, but not within Congress. Most still support the occupations or are unwilling to deride them much publicly.

You clearly get my point, though.
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Old March 7 2013, 07:30 AM   #33
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What You Leave Behind did touch on it a little. "Some will say that we got what we deserved." I think he's talking about the Occupation and joining the Dominion.
I don't think that reflected his own opinion, though, it was more of a sardonic comment on how others would react to the destruction of Cardassia. He's seen and experienced people's opinions on Cardassia for years, so he can certainly imagine that people probably wouldn't have much simpathy for them after the destruction of their world. I'm sure he's right, and that there were plenty of Bajorans, and others, that were happy to hear about what happened. Besides, we have seen plenty of examples of people rejoicing at mass death here on our own planet, it's not a stretch to imagine that there were people in the Trekverse that thought that Cardassia had it coming.
"Well aren't you going to congratulate me, Doctor? My exile is now officially over. I've returned home, or rather what's left of it.

"You know some may say that we've gotten just what we deserved. After all, we're not entirely innocent, are we? And I'm not just speaking about the Bajoran Occupation. No, our whole history has been one of arrogant aggression. We've collaborated with the Dominion, betrayed the entire Alpha Quadrant. Oh, oh there's no doubt about it: we are guilty as charged."

I think he's personally disgusted at his whole race. I don't think he's speaking as if "someone might think that."
Wow. I had totally forgotten about that and that episode was so important to me. I do think that, had the Dominion not used the Klingons to attack the Cardassians, then Gul Dukat and those like him might have steered Cardassia in a new pro-Federation direction.
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