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Old March 5 2013, 05:47 AM   #226
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Re: Young Justice, Green Lantern return January 5th

Great Scott, what is your problem???

(A line which doesn't have the same impact if you're addressing someone named Scott. )

Seriously, I have to agree with the frequency of use. I don't have a problem with his delivery, though.

I also didn't realize that was Yuri for the longest time. He sounds totally different from Ben.
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Old March 5 2013, 03:57 PM   #227
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Right, I read that. I wasn't exactly making a factual claim, so much as just venting, in the form of stereotypical nerd rage (in a manner that I'd hoped would have come through clearly enough to read).
I didn't have my nerdrage glasses on. I see it now.


However, in all seriousness, perhaps the shows being too off-beat had something to do with the toys not selling?

Or, more precisely, perhaps it was a combination of the shows' audiences simply not demanding the toys that were supplied, and of people who buy such toys not being interested in those shows in particular. I don't really know, because I never even saw the toys. It's a foregone conclusion that I wouldn't have bought them, unless they just happened to be some exquisitely crafted collectibles.
I have to admit, if there were any toys, I wasn't interested in buying them. I just don't really buy toys anymore. My son is far to young for that kind of toy. So, I guess that makes me a part of the problem!

I have a feeling, the audience skewed older... I have no facts to back that up... but, YJ, I wonder if a 10 year old would be hooked on the longer story lines like... well, this 38 year old?
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Old March 5 2013, 07:45 PM   #228
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Your instincts are correct. It scores poorly in the younger toy buying demographics.
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Old March 5 2013, 11:52 PM   #229
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Mind you, this is strictly anecdotal, but it seems to me that CN has a disconnect between their creative and management directives. I don't think Young Justice would likely appeal as much to that set as other properties could. It just seems too serious and solemn. The main characters are young men and women not so much teens.

It's hard to imagine shows like Sym-Bionic Titan were ever going to move much toys, maybe T-shirts?

Green Lantern seemed closer both in tone and design, the characters look like toys but that fell apart for some reason.

It just seems as if their programming is not in sync with the marketing and sales goals. When they had the unannounced hiatus some weeks back it seemed as if the showrunners were as surprised as the audience.

While I think this odd separation has allowed for some interesting shows to be developed that would probably not have happened otherwise there might have been more success if both sides were working towards a common goal (if I'm indeed correct at all about any of this...).
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Old March 6 2013, 03:40 AM   #230
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Re: Young Justice, Green Lantern return January 5th

personally, i would have bought any Sym-Bionic Titan toys or t-shirts. but yeah, it seemed like a show geared towards older fans. i doubt you would have had a lot of younger kids desperately wanting Sym-Bionic Titan cereal or whatever.
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Old March 6 2013, 03:50 AM   #231
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How does one makes toys of this?
I mean I guess it's possible but it doesn't seem so straight-forward.

But yeah I'd even be tempted by a t-shirt. I don't remember if toys or just merch was mentioned for Titan's demise.


EDIT: Found these online for a laugh
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Old March 6 2013, 03:57 AM   #232
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^Easy. Just use transparent plastic.
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Old March 6 2013, 04:23 AM   #233
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I would think if they were that reliant on Toy Sales they would have actually put toys in the stores. I've worked in the toys department at my local Wal-Mart since early last year, and the only DC toys I've seen are Batman and a handful of C-List hero DC Universe figures.
Are toy sales actually more important than ratings for these kinds of shows? I would think that would just be a plus, not the whole life source for the show.
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Old March 6 2013, 04:30 AM   #234
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Well, even if, say, they accidentally made a show that targeted the wrong demographic for pushing toys on, or if production problems threw a wrench into the ad campaign machinery, or if there was too much behind-the-scenes friction, or whatever, I'm still glad YJ got made. It was a great show.
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Old March 6 2013, 04:41 AM   #235
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Well, even if, say, they accidentally made a show that targeted the wrong demographic for pushing toys on, or if production problems threw a wrench into the ad campaign machinery, or if there was too much behind-the-scenes friction, or whatever, I'm still glad YJ got made. It was a great show.
I agree, that's what amazes me so much when I hear the reasons given for axing these shows. I love that somehow CN keeps pumping out interesting shows. Beware the Batman seems to be going in that same direction. Will kids be playing with Professor Pyg figures at Xmas, time will tell.
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Old March 6 2013, 05:05 AM   #236
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I would think if they were that reliant on Toy Sales they would have actually put toys in the stores.
Different values of "they." The network is not the toy company; rather, it depends on the toy companies' revenues from toy sales to help underwrite the production costs of the show. Ideally the funding for the show comes from a blend of the network, the advertisers who buy commercial time on the show, and the toy company that makes the tie-ins. If no toy company agrees to develop a toy line, or if said toy line performs poorly, then that requires the network to carry a larger share of the show's production cost, and that makes the network less likely to keep making the show.
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Old March 7 2013, 01:27 AM   #237
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Ah, I see now. I'd just never really heard of a show that was so reliant on merchandising. I was under the impression that that was usually just a little extra that didn't really impact the mothership element of the franchise one way or the other.
But I guess things might work differently for these kinds of cable kids shows than they do for adult network and cable shows.
Does Nikelodian rely on toys like this? Because I've never seen any Korra toys in the stores, and I want to make sure I shouldn't be worried about it's future.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:24 AM   #238
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Ah, I see now. I'd just never really heard of a show that was so reliant on merchandising. I was under the impression that that was usually just a little extra that didn't really impact the mothership element of the franchise one way or the other.
No, this has pretty much been the norm for animated shows for decades now. That's why so many cartoons in the '80s were basically half-hour toy commercials like He-Man and Transformers and Thundercats and MASK and Jem and My Little Pony and Pound Puppies and crazy-awful things like Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors. All of those were built around pre-existing or simultaneously developed toy lines in order to promote them. And even those few shows that weren't based on toys to begin with were pressured to write in vehicles and equipment that could be marketed as toys -- which is why The Real Ghostbusters had a mini-copter in their early episodes, and why the Gargoyles acquired a helicopter in their first season even though they had wings of their own.

Heck, the long-running Power Rangers franchise, now nearing its 20th anniversary, is an adaptation of an even longer-running Japanese franchise that's co-produced by the toy company Bandai and basically exists to sell merchandise, which is why every season features new Rangers with new costumes, equipment, and giant robots.


Does Nikelodian rely on toys like this? Because I've never seen any Korra toys in the stores, and I want to make sure I shouldn't be worried about it's future.
I don't think Nickelodeon is as strict about it as Cartoon Network is. And the Avatar franchise is so prestigious and acclaimed that I doubt they'd ditch it.

There was an Avatar: The Last Airbender toy line, but it was an abomination because it completely excluded the female characters, even though they were consistently the most kickass and powerful fighters on the show. Given that kind of mentality, it's no wonder they haven't found a toy-company partner for Korra.
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Old March 7 2013, 04:16 AM   #239
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Good to know. I've always wondered why animated shows get pulled after 1 or 2 season, and maybe 3, while live action dramas last 10. They've created a culture that relies on toys. It's unfortunate when you consider that they can rely on ratings like other shows but don't.
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Old March 7 2013, 04:22 AM   #240
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On the other hand, a lot of those toy-driven shows in the '80s ran for quite a few seasons. I'm not sure why, for instance, Cartoon Network finds it necessary to end most of its shows at no more than 65 episodes. Heck, for your typical '80s cartoon in daily stripped syndication, that was a single season (5 days a week for 13 weeks).
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