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Old March 5 2013, 11:25 AM   #31
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Re: Has there ever been a good reason...

Absent not lazy.

Got it.
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Old March 6 2013, 09:54 PM   #32
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Re: Has there ever been a good reason...

Now I may have this wrong, and with all the fanfic I read, it's not implausible, but I thought T'Pol's catsuits had a thermal element to them to keep her at comfortable and manageable temperature because Enterprise would have been set to a human's comfort level, not a Vulcan's.

Having said that, if that is true, what about Phlox......thank goodness we never saw him in a catsuit. SHUDDER!
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Old March 6 2013, 10:18 PM   #33
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Now I may have this wrong, and with all the fanfic I read, it's not implausible, but I thought T'Pol's catsuits had a thermal element to them to keep her at comfortable and manageable temperature because Enterprise would have been set to a human's comfort level, not a Vulcan's.
In that case, Mirror T'Pol must've been terribly cold in her midriff-baring uniform and later in a 23rd-century miniskirt. For that matter, T'Pol Prime's nightclothes were fairly flimsy, but maybe her quarters were warmer than the rest of the ship. Nobody ever seemed to mention that, though.
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Old March 7 2013, 07:38 PM   #34
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Re: Has there ever been a good reason...

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As for Troi, well, we know that Betazoids aren't much for body modesty. Maybe close-fitting garments are simply their fashion.
Sure. My point was, though, Moore had no business capping on Seven's Catsuit as nothing but "Eye Candy", while thinking nothing of putting Troi in something that's no different
Moore took Troi OUT of the catsuit and put her into a starfleet uniform. He had nothing to do with Troi being in the catsuit originally.
Ah, my bad, misunderstanding of "It was Ron Moore's idea to put Troi in the Uniform"
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Old March 9 2013, 04:04 AM   #35
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When she was accepted into SF, she would have to abide by their rules and regulations and comply with wearing the uniform. I can't think of any decent arguments for her keeping the catsuits.

Was there ever a reason given?
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Archer just wants to perv over her.
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Old March 9 2013, 08:14 AM   #36
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Although, admittedly, that would be far more plausible an explanation if we had seen male Vulcan officers dress in equally formfitting garments. For me, the problem isn't that Seven and T'Pol dressed that way, it's that nobody else did.
It is funny that she was the only Vulcan in the High Command that wore that uniform, surely it would be logical to have a standard uniform for all personnel rather than waste time and resources designing and making several types.

Her S3 outfits have a practicality factor, allowing freedom of movement, etc, but once in Starfleet their uniforms prove to be more than suitable for the purpose so she should have switched, there were no reasons for her not to.

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Now I may have this wrong, and with all the fanfic I read, it's not implausible, but I thought T'Pol's catsuits had a thermal element to them to keep her at comfortable and manageable temperature because Enterprise would have been set to a human's comfort level, not a Vulcan's.
There is that possibility, but that large chunk missing from her chest would have caused heating/cooling problems. If in a Starfleet uniform she could have a pair of long-johns underneath if she found the human standard too cold.

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Having said that, if that is true, what about Phlox......thank goodness we never saw him in a catsuit. SHUDDER!
It was bad enough known he's a nudist. Really, why did they have to expose us to that?
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Old March 9 2013, 09:07 AM   #37
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Re: Has there ever been a good reason...

On all away missions Phlox went on, they brought an extra guy, just to help with Phlox's decontamination gel rub down on the way back.
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Old March 9 2013, 11:21 AM   #38
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On all away missions Phlox went on, they brought an extra guy, just to help with Phlox's decontamination gel rub down on the way back.
These were the ENT-era redshirts.
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Old March 12 2013, 02:35 AM   #39
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Re: Has there ever been a good reason...

It is funny that she was the only Vulcan in the High Command that wore that uniform, surely it would be logical to have a standard uniform for all personnel rather than waste time and resources designing and making several types.
Doesn't she wear the standard VHC robes in Broken Bow?. They wouldn't be appropriate or safe for life on board Enterprise.
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Old March 12 2013, 03:34 AM   #40
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^She wears diplomatic robes in "Broken Bow." The Vulcan High Command uniform for male officers was rather different from T'Pol's outfit, with similar lines to the collar and shoulders but nowhere near as formfitting and without the pattern:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulc...Duty_uniform_2
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Old November 25 2013, 03:24 PM   #41
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When T'Pol resigned her commission with the Vulcan High Command, Enterprise was under the command of the United Earth Starfleet. I always assumed that at that point in history, entry into Starfleet was only open to people to citizens of United Earth and its various colonies. Unless T'Pol was to renounce her Vulcan citizenship and formerly enlist in Starfleet, she'd have to remain in a civilian advisory capacity, much like Phlox. She's part of the ship's command staff but outside the Starfleet chain of command.
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Old November 25 2013, 03:46 PM   #42
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^But the ship was still part of UE Starfleet in season 4, when T'Pol became a Starfleet commander. It was only in season 3 that she was a civilian, although in season 4 she wore the same outfits she'd worn in season 3 but with Starfleet insignias and rank pips attached.
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