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Old March 4 2013, 12:42 AM   #76
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Re: NuTrek spinoff series: you're the producer

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This is just simply wrong.
At some point, the "character development and emotional impact" that a few cling tightly to becomes a entry barrier for general audiences. They want to be entertained and don't care about the minutiae. Creating yet another generic group of characters does nothing to really grow the brand.
It seems like whenever a JJ apologist pleads his case, it seems to run along these populist lines, that mainstream audiences don't care for any of the qualities most film buffs feel good quality movies should possess. It need only provide cheap thrills. And if you begin to talk about these important qualities, then you're accused of being an elitist out-of-touch film-snob.

Sorry, man, but good films are good films. The fact that lots of people like empty-calories for movies doesn't change that.
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Old March 4 2013, 03:28 AM   #77
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Re: NuTrek spinoff series: you're the producer

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It seems like whenever a JJ apologist pleads his case, it seems to run along these populist lines, that mainstream audiences don't care for any of the qualities most film buffs feel good quality movies should possess. It need only provide cheap thrills. And if you begin to talk about these important qualities, then you're accused of being an elitist out-of-touch film-snob.

Sorry, man, but good films are good films. The fact that lots of people like empty-calories for movies doesn't change that.
For some reason, some people seem to think that slavish adherence to a byzantine and arbitrary continuity has anything to do with the quality of movies. They are wrong.
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Old March 4 2013, 03:59 AM   #78
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Re: NuTrek spinoff series: you're the producer

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BillJ wrote: View Post
This is just simply wrong.
At some point, the "character development and emotional impact" that a few cling tightly to becomes a entry barrier for general audiences. They want to be entertained and don't care about the minutiae. Creating yet another generic group of characters does nothing to really grow the brand.
It seems like whenever a JJ apologist pleads his case, it seems to run along these populist lines, that mainstream audiences don't care for any of the qualities most film buffs feel good quality movies should possess. It need only provide cheap thrills. And if you begin to talk about these important qualities, then you're accused of being an elitist out-of-touch film-snob.

Sorry, man, but good films are good films. The fact that lots of people like empty-calories for movies doesn't change that.
Suggestion: How about retiring the phrase "JJ apologist"? You really can't complain about being called an "elitist out-of-touch film-snob" when you use a loaded term like that.

What "qualities" do most "film buffs" think good films must posses?

Who said ST09 provided only "cheap thrills". Most people here have pointed many elements in the film that were more than "cheap thrills".

Yes a good film is a good film. But a good film can also be a cheap thrill ride with empty calories.
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Old March 4 2013, 05:17 AM   #79
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Captain Hikaru Sulu aboard the USS Excelsior set ten years after the movie. Maybe during a Romulan war to spice things up.
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Old March 4 2013, 12:37 PM   #80
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I'm familiar with 'the qualities most film buffs feel good films should possess'. None of the eleven movies released under the 'Star Trek' banner possesses very many of those qualities. If most people are prepared to say TWOK is the best - TVH is my favourite, but whatever - they needn't be thinking TWOK is anything other than a successful popcorn movie. Which there is nothing wrong with it being.

There's no point judging ST09 by the standards of the TV shows. You can only judge it by the other movies. And I think it holds up very well, to say the least.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:25 AM   #81
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It seems like whenever a JJ apologist pleads his case...
I've been called a lot of things over the years on these boards, but I've never been called a "JJ apologist".

Those that actually read my posts know that I'm actually quite critical of the film. But I'm also a realist and understand that Paramount makes movies to make money, not so I can sit in my basement and masturbate to continuity porn.
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Old March 11 2013, 10:04 AM   #82
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I would keep Pine because he has the highest Q score. The rest of the crew would have to leave for some unknown reason (maybe we could have guest spots) and is replaced all with guys that were in Kirk's frat from the Academy. They would go around looking for fun (we would blow up at least one planet per episode for the 'splosion quota)until Starfleet Command puts them on double secret probation.

While on probation, the Enterprise is followed around the galaxy by the USS Delta-C made up of sorority sisters from the Academy that had swaps with Kirk's frat. They would be uptight but hot and try to spoil the boy's fun. Eventually though, the crew of the Delta-C is so overcome by the irreverence of the crew of the Enterprise (and impressed with the number of planets that they've blown up) that they all have wild donkey sex on planet Orgy VII (cue lens flare).

Have a reboot each sweeps so we can change out the women actors and set up the tension of the guys melting them down to save money on writing. I've got two episodes laid out, one where a planet has turned into a utopia after they embraced fracking and another where switching to natural gas ends a war (good sponsorship opportunities).If the space thing gets tired we can have them all flunked back to the Academy where they have to get jobs in San Francisco while going back to school and keeping up their tans.

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