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Old February 28 2013, 04:24 PM   #16
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

We know thanks to Picard (mysteries), Worf (westerns), B'lanna (romance) and Janeway (gothic) that many of today's genres still survive, so SF probably does as well. Of course, many book previously marketed as SF in the contempory past (IE: Burroughs MArs tales) must now be regarded as fantasy so that kind of thing must have occurred too with much of todays SF moving forward to future centuries.

I certainly imagine that any knowledge of events occurring in Star Treks future are classified so any 24th century novel describing, say, 28th century events would be considered SF.

There also does seem top be a shift, as illustrated in the examples above, from passive entertainment such as text novels, movies, etc to interactive forms such as the holodeck.
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Old February 28 2013, 05:06 PM   #17
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

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Starfleet: Hey! Let's go to space!
Starfleet crew: Space is boring. Hey! Let's go to the holodeck and recreate stuff that happened centuries ago!

Well, it depends on how you convey a sense of wonder and interest to explore to the next generation.

Maybe, I'm too pessimistic but after a certain amount of interstellar discoveries the whole exploration idea might become repetitive and boring.

While the depths of our oceans are still undiscovered countries, I don't see that much public interest in deep sea exploration after the bulk of our planet's lands have been abundantly charted and explored.

As we've seen with Picard in TNG he really likes to solve riddles (e.g. Dixon Hill) and probably to form theories based on conclusions, hence his unwavering interest in archaeology which usually is to large extents an "undiscovered country", too.

It really depends on which kind of exploration you personally prefer the most and what kind of exploration scenarios our society feels should be offered or popularized the most.

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I think we can take it as read that in-universe Star Trek is constantly interesting. The question's a bit like the entertainment in Star Trek thread but I'm guessing they wouldn't need sci fi because they so frequently come across something new and unknown.
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Old February 28 2013, 06:19 PM   #18
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

Additionally, the rise of the SF genre occurred at a time of previously unknown scientific advancement, the mid and late 20th century. (I know some will quibble about those dates, so be it.) Scientific progress and Science Fiction seem to go hand-in-hand.
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Old March 1 2013, 12:41 AM   #19
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

Weren't Wells and Verne writing SF in the 19th Century? Didn't the 19th and Early 20th Century give us things like locomotives, automobiles, airplanes, the telegraph, radio and the telephone?

I don't see why SF would not exist in Star Trek's time frame. There will always be speculation about new science and technology and its impact on society. The local might shift as the fictional heroes travel to other galaxies instead of other planets.
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Old March 1 2013, 03:46 PM   #20
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

Oh, yes. Wells and Verne wre writing earlier, as was Gernsback. But I was tallking about the rise of the genre rather than its early years. Specifically the period where Heinlein, Asimov, Clarke, and Bradbury were at their peaks and Campbell was in his heyday.
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Old March 2 2013, 12:30 PM   #21
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

I just watched "The Wire" and at the end, Garak lends Bashir a Cardassian novel set in the future, depicting a war between the Cardassians and the Klingons. So I guess at least the Cardassians have some form of SF. Seems reasonable to suppose other groups would, too.

I imagine the Federation take on SF would be the more rarified thought-experiment variety. Not necessarily anything to do with advances in technology but more the ideas underlying them.
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Old March 2 2013, 02:06 PM   #22
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

Yes...
We do not have replicators, transporters and warp drive....yet.
We have something similar to a phaser by way of laser light. All in all Trek is still Sci-Fi I would say. All good fun too.
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Old March 2 2013, 02:52 PM   #23
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

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We have something similar to a phaser by way of laser light.
By this analogy, a slingshot is just like a firearm because both launch a projectile. One uses a leather strap; the other a chemical explosive. "Similar."

The only phaser-like function we've seen from lasers is burning/cutting. Lasers do not stun or "disintegrate" (whatever that function really is). If Active Denial could be miniaturized, that might serve as a wireless stun gun.
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Old March 2 2013, 05:40 PM   #24
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

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We have something similar to a phaser by way of laser light.
By this analogy, a slingshot is just like a firearm because both launch a projectile. One uses a leather strap; the other a chemical explosive. "Similar."

The only phaser-like function we've seen from lasers is burning/cutting. Lasers do not stun or "disintegrate" (whatever that function really is). If Active Denial could be miniaturized, that might serve as a wireless stun gun.
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Old March 2 2013, 05:56 PM   #25
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Re: Is there any Sci-Fi in Star Trek?

I could see there being a PSA/Biopic recreating Pike's visit to Talos IV, but most of the happenings would be over dramatized and made gritty looking to give space travelers a real reason to stay away.
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Old March 2 2013, 06:00 PM   #26
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The death penalty's not enough?
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Old March 2 2013, 07:06 PM   #27
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The death penalty's not enough?
Making something scarier than it actually was WITH confirmation of the death penalty will keep hands off the stove for sure.
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