I'm giving Enterprise another chance - Page 2

RandyS · February 23 2013, 10:19 PM

jespah wrote:

Kewl.

Hang in there for 6 episodes and you'll get a secret decoder ring.

Psst, you forgot to mention the Orion Slave Girls...

ALWAYS offer a new fan Orion Slave Girls.

RandyS · February 23 2013, 10:23 PM

heavy lids wrote:

One thing I can't get over is how bad the song is in the opening credits. It's serious dog shit.

That's what the mute button on your remote is for.

Or the "forward" button on your DVD player, whichever.

heavy lids · February 23 2013, 10:24 PM

RandyS wrote:

heavy lids wrote:

One thing I can't get over is how bad the song is in the opening credits. It's serious dog shit.

That's what the mute button on your remote is for.

Or the "forward" button on your DVD player, whichever.

I had no idea such things were possible!

billcosby · February 23 2013, 10:31 PM

teacake wrote:

I still think we should have seen where Porthos peed. Etc..

Porthos pees on Kreetassan cultural trees!

heavy lids wrote:

RandyS wrote:

heavy lids wrote:

One thing I can't get over is how bad the song is in the opening credits. It's serious dog shit.

That's what the mute button on your remote is for.

Or the "forward" button on your DVD player, whichever.

I had no idea such things were possible!

Oh yes, essential to enjoyable, long-term Enterprise viewings.

RAMA · February 23 2013, 11:02 PM

teacake wrote:

IMO Season 4 has some of the best Trek there is.

I like elements of the first 2 seasons, I enjoy the overall story from season 3, but season 4 is where the show should have taken off with the quality of it...I can only imagine what the series could have done with the producers and writers of season 4 once they really had some stories under their belts and after having seen the stories they were working on for season 5.

I rank Season 4 of Enterprise as the 5th best in all of Star Trek history..that's 28 seasons (30 if you count TAS).

jespah · February 24 2013, 12:12 AM

RandyS wrote:

jespah wrote:

Kewl.

Hang in there for 6 episodes and you'll get a secret decoder ring.

Psst, you forgot to mention the Orion Slave Girls...

ALWAYS offer a new fan Orion Slave Girls.

True, as the Orion Slave Boys were, erm, less than optimal.

heavy lids · February 28 2013, 03:00 PM

I'm about seven episodes into season 3 of ENT and to be honest, I find this Xindi story to be pretty bland. Perhaps, it's just because the last few episodes have been really bad.

feek61 · February 28 2013, 06:02 PM

It gets better. I actually love the 3rd season but as with all Trek there are a few dogs in there.

Dale Sams · February 28 2013, 10:58 PM

heavy lids wrote:

I'm about seven episodes into season 3 of ENT and to be honest, I find this Xindi story to be pretty bland. Perhaps, it's just because the last few episodes have been really bad.

I'm intrigued by:

The relatibility relative to other Treks. These guys are alone with limited resources and if they fail, Earth dies. In "Anomaly", the jeopardy feels real because they can't afford to lose that stuff.

The hard Sci-Fi of bartering spices for advanced tech.

Paying attention to details: "Hey a weapon! Hey a prisoner!" ("Rajiin") And then we see both. Same episode: "GD don't you guys have grenades??!...oh you do. Cool."

I'm less than enthused by:

For every hard decision made (torturing the guy in "Anomaly") three more go by the wayside. You have a devestating biogenic weapon in the Extinction Virus, but give that no lip service? You have a prisoner with information that you CANNOT let escape ("Rajiin") and you don't for a second consider killing her?

And of course there's the forced contrivance of sending a whopping three people to guard an airlock that you HAVE TO HOLD. ("Rajiin") Yeah that goes about as well as it did in Star Wars.

It's just frustrating because little things like that can easily be fixed with this that or the other. But overall (4 eps into season 3) I'm impressed by the investment they've created in me.

teacake · February 28 2013, 11:24 PM

Dale Sams wrote:

For every hard decision made (torturing the guy in "Anomaly") three more go by the wayside. You have a devestating biogenic weapon in the Extinction Virus, but give that no lip service? You have a prisoner with information that you CANNOT let escape ("Rajiin") and you don't for a second consider killing her?

Dude this is Trek! TREK!! Not NuBSG. We can all list the 3 or 4 actual "hard" decisions made in 700 plus episodes. This was never going to happen.

Dale Sams · February 28 2013, 11:49 PM

teacake wrote:

Dale Sams wrote:

For every hard decision made (torturing the guy in "Anomaly") three more go by the wayside. You have a devestating biogenic weapon in the Extinction Virus, but give that no lip service? You have a prisoner with information that you CANNOT let escape ("Rajiin") and you don't for a second consider killing her?

Dude this is Trek! TREK!! Not NuBSG. We can all list the 3 or 4 actual "hard" decisions made in 700 plus episodes. This was never going to happen.

Well at least give it some lip service. If you're going to do a post/911 analogy-thing then go all the way. Have Stephen Culp be the "Garek" (I mean in terms of being the guy who says we can't play by the rules when the entire population of Earth is in jeoperdy)

Heh. I like your analogy though. I also would have accepted "This isn't '24'!!"

teacake · March 1 2013, 12:09 AM

Now I would have loved more use of Hayes and that is just the kind of conflict they could have put him in. They would have had to loosen him a bit though, to get him yelling at the captain. They made him too wooden soldier, I guess as a contrast to Starfleet.

jespah · March 1 2013, 12:54 AM

Hayes was made into too much of a by the book guy, even going so far as blindly following the chain of command no matter what - someone should've reminded him that that defense failed at Nuremberg.

Culp has said that originally he was offered 10 episodes and then it got whittled down -the final # is 5. Per Memory Alpha -
"The Xindi" - intro stuff, mainly, an inkling of the conflict with Reed.
"The Shipment" - he mainly just guards Graylick and doesn't have a lot to do.
"Harbinger" - fight with Reed.
"Hatchery" - just following orders.
"Countdown" - won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

But he didn't get a helluva lot to do, which is unfortunate, as a character in open conflict with another senior character would have been far better drama if it had been sustained longer. Instead, the arc is incredibly short. Hayes could have been seen more, and you can see instances where Culp was probably supposed to be there, but maybe TPTB wanted Keating to have more lines/air time, so it was Reed leading MACOs into battle, which kinda doesn't make much sense. Was Hayes on vacation? Injured? In the Brig? A throwaway line, here or there, offering a smidgen of exposition, would've been nice.

I would've liked to have seen him in Impulse, instead of Hawkins, for example.

teacake · March 1 2013, 01:07 AM

Those idiots, didn't they know how hot Stephen Culp is?!

How fantastic would it be to get Culp in a new Trek series. I nominate him for first gay captain.

JirinPanthosa · March 1 2013, 06:36 AM

For me the first episode that really resonated with me was Similitude in season 3. That was the first Enterprise episode I ever saw that deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as other Treks.

It is a shame the show got cancelled right after it finally found some creative footing, it broke out of the stale Berman/Braga mold and became a real Trek prequel.

Seasons 1 and 2 was more, they took the worst aspects of Voyager and combined them with the worst aspects of TNG. without any particularly likable characters or strong performances, or any of the best writers. T'Pol taught villagers to defend themselves from Klingons by ducking to the left, ducking to the right, and then rolling for chrissake. And the Klingons didn't catch on that they were using the same move every time!

Yes, season 4 rules. Probably the best Trek season that is neither TNG nor DS9.

February 28 2013, 03:00 PM	#22
heavy lids Lieutenant Commander Location: Denver	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance I'm about seven episodes into season 3 of ENT and to be honest, I find this Xindi story to be pretty bland. Perhaps, it's just because the last few episodes have been really bad. __________________ "Divine intervention is...unlikely" - The Doctor

February 28 2013, 06:02 PM	#23
feek61 Lieutenant Commander Location: The Sunshine State	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance It gets better. I actually love the 3rd season but as with all Trek there are a few dogs in there. __________________ TOSGRAPHICS.COM

March 1 2013, 12:09 AM	#27
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance Now I would have loved more use of Hayes and that is just the kind of conflict they could have put him in. They would have had to loosen him a bit though, to get him yelling at the captain. They made him too wooden soldier, I guess as a contrast to Starfleet. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

March 1 2013, 12:54 AM	#28
jespah Commodore Location: Boston, the Gateway to the Galaxy	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance Hayes was made into too much of a by the book guy, even going so far as blindly following the chain of command no matter what - someone should've reminded him that that defense failed at Nuremberg. Culp has said that originally he was offered 10 episodes and then it got whittled down -the final # is 5. Per Memory Alpha - "The Xindi" - intro stuff, mainly, an inkling of the conflict with Reed. "The Shipment" - he mainly just guards Graylick and doesn't have a lot to do. "Harbinger" - fight with Reed. "Hatchery" - just following orders. "Countdown" - won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it. But he didn't get a helluva lot to do, which is unfortunate, as a character in open conflict with another senior character would have been far better drama if it had been sustained longer. Instead, the arc is incredibly short. Hayes could have been seen more, and you can see instances where Culp was probably supposed to be there, but maybe TPTB wanted Keating to have more lines/air time, so it was Reed leading MACOs into battle, which kinda doesn't make much sense. Was Hayes on vacation? Injured? In the Brig? A throwaway line, here or there, offering a smidgen of exposition, would've been nice. I would've liked to have seen him in Impulse, instead of Hawkins, for example. __________________ Honk if you love silence http://www.jespah.com (includes fanfiction with most ratings). TU Publishing Adult Trek Anthology

March 1 2013, 01:07 AM	#29
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance Those idiots, didn't they know how hot Stephen Culp is?! How fantastic would it be to get Culp in a new Trek series. I nominate him for first gay captain. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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March 1 2013, 06:36 AM	#30
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: I'm giving Enterprise another chance For me the first episode that really resonated with me was Similitude in season 3. That was the first Enterprise episode I ever saw that deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as other Treks. It is a shame the show got cancelled right after it finally found some creative footing, it broke out of the stale Berman/Braga mold and became a real Trek prequel. Seasons 1 and 2 was more, they took the worst aspects of Voyager and combined them with the worst aspects of TNG. without any particularly likable characters or strong performances, or any of the best writers. T'Pol taught villagers to defend themselves from Klingons by ducking to the left, ducking to the right, and then rolling for chrissake. And the Klingons didn't catch on that they were using the same move every time! Yes, season 4 rules. Probably the best Trek season that is neither TNG nor DS9.